Let Oleoresin Talk (LOT) Project

Ensar Oud

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#61
Highly resinated wood will ALWAYS yield superior oil to oil-grade wood. All the resin may not get extracted but a long term infection leading to solid resin also brings with it the most amazing oud oils. Try to distill Oud Sultani from oil grade wood and see how far you get. Moreover, resin CAN be distilled into oil if you employ the right techniques.

I hate to say this but most of the stuff you read in this market is pure baloney. Go by what the vendor's oils tell you, not by what the vendor tells you. If an oil is advertised as "kinam" but it smells like barn, you know the right dose of salt with which to take their other assertions.
 

Nikhil S

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#62
Highly resinated wood will ALWAYS yield superior oil to oil-grade wood. All the resin may not get extracted but a long term infection leading to solid resin also brings with it the most amazing oud oils. Try to distill Oud Sultani from oil grade wood and see how far you get. Moreover, resin CAN be distilled into oil if you employ the right techniques.

I hate to say this but most of the stuff you read in this market is pure baloney. Go by what the vendor's oils tell you, not by what the vendor tells you. If an oil is advertised as "kinam" but it smells like barn, you know the right dose of salt with which to take their other assertions.
Thanks Ensar bhai. So which affordable oils will give me a high resin experience in your opinion ? And yes I follow your advice very closely on oils speaking. Even with perfumes I test then first then look at the note breakdown. You have been really helpful. I really wanted to know if the traditional distillations of Assam etc still the highly resinated wood and if yes can we judge the effort from the cost of the oil ? Plus, will highly resinated gyrinops and filaria share a similarity with highly resinated Agallocha ?
 

Ensar Oud

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#63
Thanks Ensar bhai. So which affordable oils will give me a high resin experience in your opinion ? And yes I follow your advice very closely on oils speaking. Even with perfumes I test then first then look at the note breakdown. You have been really helpful. I really wanted to know if the traditional distillations of Assam etc still the highly resinated wood and if yes can we judge the effort from the cost of the oil ? Plus, will highly resinated gyrinops and filaria share a similarity with highly resinated Agallocha ?
If budget is a concern you may need to look at old oils that were distilled pre-China Market, when the wood went for a fraction of what it goes now. Tigerwood Royale, TW95, Sultani 1990 would command at least five times what they're being sold for today, had they been distilled post-2010.

Another option is where a few compromises were made in order to achieve the most bang-for-buck and make high incense-grade oil available to as many people as possible. Adikuto X, Oud Dhul Q and all versions of Aroha Kyaku follow this model. Well resinated wild Cambodian wood was distilled in a unique way so as to convert the entire resin content to oil, and then the yield was carefully paired with the best organic material. The profile is high-grade wild through and through, only you're smelling the "attar" version, where it comes in a base of organic kyen, loo, etc.

In our day, "highly resinated wood" is an oxymoron. If there were such wood in Assam I wouldn't have all but stopped all operations there for well over a year now. With the exception of the Chinese-border trees we used to make Chugoku and Assamugo Senkoh, the situation in Assam has been pretty bleak.

I would never judge anything based on the cost of the oil. Oils are priced arbitrarily in this market, and most of the time they follow a pricing scheme I laid out in 2006. A certain quality went for $550, another quality was $350, etc. So people say, "If his stuff is going for $550 then my price will also be in that ballpark." One vendor recently complained to me for setting too low a ceiling for premium oils (referring to the $2,500 stuff) and how he couldn't make ends meet if he followed my price. He said, "Because you set the prices in this market, I can't come out with a more expensive range than you. You seriously need to revisit your pricing." -- Case in point, look at Mr Shareef's newly launched "Kinam" extract. Take the 2.5ml, convert to gr, divide by five, times six. Does the price you get for 3 grams ring any bells?
 

Nikhil S

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#64
If budget is a concern you may need to look at old oils that were distilled pre-China Market, when the wood went for a fraction of what it goes now. Tigerwood Royale, TW95, Sultani 1990 would command at least five times what they're being sold for today, had they been distilled post-2010.

Another option is where a few compromises were made in order to achieve the most bang-for-buck and make high incense-grade oil available to as many people as possible. Adikuto X, Oud Dhul Q and all versions of Aroha Kyaku follow this model. Well resinated wild Cambodian wood was distilled in a unique way so as to convert the entire resin content to oil, and then the yield was carefully paired with the best organic material. The profile is high-grade wild through and through, only you're smelling the "attar" version, where it comes in a base of organic kyen, loo, etc.

In our day, "highly resinated wood" is an oxymoron. If there were such wood in Assam I wouldn't have all but stopped all operations there for well over a year now. With the exception of the Chinese-border trees we used to make Chugoku and Assamugo Senkoh, the situation in Assam has been pretty bleak.

I would never judge anything based on the cost of the oil. Oils are priced arbitrarily in this market, and most of the time they follow a pricing scheme I laid out in 2006. A certain quality went for $550, another quality was $350, etc. So people say, "If his stuff is going for $550 then my price will also be in that ballpark." One vendor recently complained to me for setting too low a ceiling for premium oils (referring to the $2,500 stuff) and how he couldn't make ends meet if he followed my price. He said, "Because you set the prices in this market, I can't come out with a more expensive range than you. You seriously need to revisit your pricing." -- Case in point, look at Mr Shareef's newly launched "Kinam" extract. Take the 2.5ml, convert to gr, divide by five, times six. Does the price you get for 3 grams ring any bells?
Fantastic ! Thanks a lot brother Ensar. I appreciate your time really. Infact you have mentioned all my favorite oils :) I have Aroha Kyaku OG, XLL, TW95, sample of Dhul Q and Assamugo Senkoh. Assam is such a stunner. These oils have no match in the Oud world. I can you quite frankly. I dont believe in Kinam Oils brother. No matter who claims what. Kinam is beautiful in itself. I would rather wear a mala or a bracelet of one :) Plus I operate within budget because I have to review so much stuff. Affordibility affects experience in unwanted ways. I am still waiting to grab S Senkoh and C Sayang. I have also developed lot of love for Zacchariyah lately.
 

Shabby

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#65
@PEARL Most of all I'm happy to see yourself and my dear friend @kesiro back and active on the forum. Hope all is well you two my brothers.

I agree with your point PEARL, and I don't think there is anything particularly hateful about you wrote. I think perhaps Jawed prefers not to read the posts here and that is alright too. I do think if he writes about subjects that are predominantly discussed here then it would benefit everyone if he was familiar with the writings.

@Nikhil S Happy to see you too sir and apologies to you and to all if my posts seemed too long or speaking in a roundabout or abstract way. Everything I wrote was with a view to improve the discussion. Most people I know think of the philosophical posts as meaningless, for me everything is meaningless without it.

I am always hopeful for the oud community, and I think on balance the discussion went well. My decision to withdraw from the discussion was certainly not based on ill feeling or anything of the sort - just a question of choosing how to spend my time. Alhamdulillah.
 
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Rasoul S

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#66
So I am no expert but certainly have been very intrigued with this whole oleoresin notion.

As far as I am aware, oud resin is 'oud oil', hardened by time and other natural processes. Oleoresin is nothing more then the hardened resin converted as completely as possible into oil form without anythig else added. Eg; the essential oil example Nikhil cites with Sandalwood. None of that stuff. Just the resin. The "oleoresin" oil production methods attempt to preserve as many of the compounds of this resin and try to not add any other notes. Typical high temperature distillations may burn off and lose, or even fail to extract a percentage of these compounds. Many of these compounds are more volatile and are often lost in the process. I have zero doubt that this is a real thing as the oils which reportedly are made this way are totally different from any other oils I have experienced. Not to say better per se, since there are oils clearly not emphasizing this process which I love as well, but definitely their own category. These oils have usually been very enjoyable at first sniff, but have been a LOT more challenging for me to crack their olfactory code. I have spent much more time studying these oils then any others. And these oils have had exponentially more psychoactive properties.
My first true education of this category of oils was Chugoku Senkoh, followed By Lavanya from Taha. Taha has lately gone full bore into this category. Kekasihku, Darul Aman, and Khmer SK have taken this to crazy levels.
i suspect the same thing, as in these genre of oils are oils made that just capture the oil in the wood and not the wood itself. but then taha went and said converting resin into oil in a video and in other consequent posts. so is not just capturing the oil in the wood, but also the oil trapped in the resin in the wood. come on @Ensar @Taha @Kruger , you dont have to tell us all your noha and exact methods, just enough general words to stop us from guessing and blindly assuming things. for example does the spent matter from the pot after distillation of these genre of oils differ from other oils? radically or mildly? does the long and low temp play a more important role in finished product? or the selection of oil? or these all play a small role and the real difference is from untrapping the oil in resin? or all equally or... give us something to work with here.

note: you dont have to. and i for one am not demanding this. i understand if you do not like to share for all sorts of reasons and will respect that. but if you can shed more light on this, it would go a long way and i am sure not just i but the entire community will take note.

the above mystery apart i too find more psychoactive effects from these oils. they do alter the state of soberness. stronger than how tea/coffee affects us but not like overindulging alcoholic beverages or other recreational drugs.

now as far as cracking their code, this is not a blanket statement for me for all the oils of this genre. at least NOT so far. i have only spent a month at most with these oils. mind you i check in on them mostly on daily basis. some of them come across as rather simple and straightforward (terrific and mindboggling scent but straightforward like sandal wood oil. they lack the depth and development. while others have more drama and change shapes. i repeat, i am not being defintive b/c my sample size needs to grow further but also the amount fo time spent with these oils. lastly we still do not know what aging will do to these oils. we have heard thoughts, guesses and have our own gut feelings but none are yet developed facts. patience is needed.
 

Rasoul S

Well-Known Member
#67
Your comments and points come through loud and clear my brother. I really appreciate those who choose their words very carefully. Your above comments and 'clarification' is not needed as your original post was a masterstroke of thought specific writing. The ASO comment is nothing more than projection, and either an intended or unintended attempt to create hostility and conflict where there does not need to be any. Of all the ways to address the situation, so many seem to choose the low road. Sad.
I have scratched my head about the numerous postings by ASO for a while, strictly from a business standpoint. As a prospective customer, this type of stuff turns me off so much. I just don't get it.
friends: lets all give benefit of the doubt. lets not skewer each other over one or two slip ups. who doesnt make mistakes. i for one see this as un-intended. in order to stop the "them vs. us", and to strive for unity, lets take steps in the right direction to unify us. lets focus on the good and positive contributions of the members. i dont think anyone with an ounce of fairness in them can say there has been not one single positive contribution to the community but those we feel we have to chastise. please.
 

Rasoul S

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#68
Highly resinated wood will ALWAYS yield superior oil to oil-grade wood. All the resin may not get extracted but a long term infection leading to solid resin also brings with it the most amazing oud oils. Try to distill Oud Sultani from oil grade wood and see how far you get. Moreover, resin CAN be distilled into oil if you employ the right techniques.

I hate to say this but most of the stuff you read in this market is pure baloney. Go by what the vendor's oils tell you, not by what the vendor tells you. If an oil is advertised as "kinam" but it smells like barn, you know the right dose of salt with which to take their other assertions.
sorry ensar. didnt see this before i posted. good to read a definitive answer on both matters above. now if you can or willing to say more in regards to my questions above, awesome. if not, i understand and support that decision too. But hoping you make the right decision ;) kidding. really. sincerely.
 

Rasoul S

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#69
Fantastic ! Thanks a lot brother Ensar. I appreciate your time really. Infact you have mentioned all my favorite oils :) I have Aroha Kyaku OG, XLL, TW95, sample of Dhul Q and Assamugo Senkoh. Assam is such a stunner. These oils have no match in the Oud world. I can you quite frankly. I dont believe in Kinam Oils brother. No matter who claims what. Kinam is beautiful in itself. I would rather wear a mala or a bracelet of one :) Plus I operate within budget because I have to review so much stuff. Affordibility affects experience in unwanted ways. I am still waiting to grab S Senkoh and C Sayang. I have also developed lot of love for Zacchariyah lately.
sell your children if you have to. kidding of course... but SS is a life changer. for me at least. having said that when i have an itch for this oil it can still be satisfied by sultan abdus selam. sadly price is the same i think for both. give or take... the two are different but yet similar enough. if i am to say more, SS is more dramatic and immediately satisfying opening while sultan AS develops more completely and gives off more bitter than blue/green notes. i am splitting hair here and talking minor nuances. hope this is of worth to you brother.
 
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sell your children if you have to. kidding of course... but SS is a life changer. for me at least. having said that when i have an itch for this oil it can still be satisfied by sultan abdus selam. sadly price is the same i think for both. give or take... the two are different but yet similar enough. if i am to say more, SS is more dramatic and immediately satisfying opening while sultan AS develops more completely and gives off more bitter than blue/green notes. i am splitting hair here and talking minor nuances. hope this is of worth to you brother.
I have to agree with you. Suriranka Senkoh is a game changer for me. It is a beautiful, sweet, blue-green aroma. What I love about it is that the blue-green notes never go away. They stay there throughout the life of the oil. There is also a beautiful core oud scent. It must be that Walla Patta scent if I’m not mistaken. Previously, Guallam Solide was my favorite artisanal style of oud oil that Ensar has produced (and that I’ve sampled). It’s still a beautiful oud, but SS has definitely topped it. I also agree with you on Sultan Abdus Selam. It reminds me of Sultan Sufyan, but with a lot less incense and a beautiful blue-green not. You really can’t go wrong with either.
 
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Alkhadra

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#71
The resin has spoken....

@Shabby there has been recent discussion elsewhere on the topic of "Let oleoresin talk", I applaud your ability to recognize context as it relates to discussion and for you actually reading the content of letting the oleoresin talk, round of applause. The topic of letting the oleoresin talk confers the relationship to resinous features in the wood and how certain notes and/or features are palpable and expressed in the oil, despite there being no actual oleoresin in the oil. Anybody that actually has read this discourse can pick that up.

We've established that there is no resin/oleoresin in oils distilled from agarwood, it has to be extracted; that is objective, scientific fact.
Assalamu Alaykm brother Pearl,
How are you Akhi? It's good to hear from you again!

I have read most of this thread, and I understand @Shabby's point in clarifying that Oleoresin marketing does not denote resin actually being distilled. Rather, it denotes distilling the oil that is inside the wood, and keeping the smell true to the Oleoresin. @Taha makes this very clear in this post:

And here's what I think Ensar's trying to say (if I may be so bold to speak on his behalf), at least this is what I've been trying to say:
For LOT/MOTA oud oils, all these things are irrelevant. Because the aim is to excise and isolate the purest expression of the oleoresin's scent, untainted by auxiliary notes (and techniques/parameters). No doubt, every distiller will have their own set of in-house techniques & parameters to ensure there is minimal noise captured.
AlShareef has argued the validity of the LOT project, claiming that resin cannot be distilled. Rather, oil pockets in the resin can be distilled, further maximizing yield.
@Shabby has made it very clear on the other forum to Al Shareef that the LOT Project is merely keeping a scent that is true to the resin, and NOT distilling resin.
You have used the same premise as @Shabby, in stating that Al Shareef uses the same marketing plot by describing certain smells as "resin" or "resinous".

All of this was fine and dandy for me.. :D Until @Ensar said the following:
Moreover, resin CAN be distilled into oil if you employ the right techniques.
And..

Well resinated wild Cambodian wood was distilled in a unique way so as to convert the entire resin content to oil, and then the yield was carefully paired with the best organic material.
Based on those two quotes above, this statement of yours: "We've established that there is no resin/oleoresin in oils distilled from agarwood, it has to be extracted; that is objective, scientific fact." becomes false depending on who you refer to when you say: "We've established"...who is "We"? Who has established this? @Ensar is outright saying that you CAN fully convert resin content into oil (through distillation). Thus, he has established something completely different from what you and I have.
 
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Rasoul S

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#72
Assalamu Alaykm brother Pearl,
How are you Akhi? It's good to hear from you again!

I have read most of this thread, and I understand @Shabby's point in clarifying that Oleoresin marketing does not denote resin actually being distilled. Rather, it denotes distilling the oil from that is inside the wood, and keeping the smell true to the Oleoresin. @Taha makes this very clear in this post:



AlShareef has argued the validity of the LOT project, claiming that resin cannot be distilled. Rather, oil pockets in the resin can be distilled, further maximizing yield.
@Shabby has made it very clear on the other forum to Al Shareef that the LOT Project is merely keeping a scent that is true to the resin, and NOT distilling resin.
You have used the same premise as @Shabby, in stating that Al Shareef uses the same marketing plot by describing certain smells as "resin" or "resinous".

All of this was fine and dandy for me.. :D Until @Ensar said the following:


And..



Based on those two quotes above, this statement of yours: "We've established that there is no resin/oleoresin in oils distilled from agarwood, it has to be extracted; that is objective, scientific fact." becomes false depending on who you refer to when you say: "We've established"...who is "We"? Who has established this? @Ensar is outright saying that you CAN fully convert resin content into oil (through distillation). Thus, he has established something completely different from what you and I have.
Brother khadra
If I may. I just had an epiphany and I think part of the issue in all th misunderstanding comes from understanding to differentiate between co2 or similar ways of extracting vs different ways of distilling. Latter is only via hydro or steam. Former via dif gasses and pressure. It could very well be that the resin conversion/ extraction happens via gas extraction then that is distilled into oil. Pretty much what ASO has just said he has done on the release of the latest kinam oil : lam'ah.

My main question after all of this is:
What is giving these genre of oils it's main unique quality? The low heat long distillation, the collection of oil and separating the head from heart/tail, or the unique quality of the oil trapped in the resin vs the oil in the wood. We shall find out soon I Hope.
 

kooolaid79

Well-Known Member
#73
If budget is a concern you may need to look at old oils that were distilled pre-China Market, when the wood went for a fraction of what it goes now. Tigerwood Royale, TW95, Sultani 1990 would command at least five times what they're being sold for today, had they been distilled post-2010.

Another option is where a few compromises were made in order to achieve the most bang-for-buck and make high incense-grade oil available to as many people as possible. Adikuto X, Oud Dhul Q and all versions of Aroha Kyaku follow this model. Well resinated wild Cambodian wood was distilled in a unique way so as to convert the entire resin content to oil, and then the yield was carefully paired with the best organic material. The profile is high-grade wild through and through, only you're smelling the "attar" version, where it comes in a base of organic kyen, loo, etc.

In our day, "highly resinated wood" is an oxymoron. If there were such wood in Assam I wouldn't have all but stopped all operations there for well over a year now. With the exception of the Chinese-border trees we used to make Chugoku and Assamugo Senkoh, the situation in Assam has been pretty bleak.

I would never judge anything based on the cost of the oil. Oils are priced arbitrarily in this market, and most of the time they follow a pricing scheme I laid out in 2006. A certain quality went for $550, another quality was $350, etc. So people say, "If his stuff is going for $550 then my price will also be in that ballpark." One vendor recently complained to me for setting too low a ceiling for premium oils (referring to the $2,500 stuff) and how he couldn't make ends meet if he followed my price. He said, "Because you set the prices in this market, I can't come out with a more expensive range than you. You seriously need to revisit your pricing." -- Case in point, look at Mr Shareef's newly launched "Kinam" extract. Take the 2.5ml, convert to gr, divide by five, times six. Does the price you get for 3 grams ring any bells?
Thank you Dear Ensar for taking out the time and clarifying this. I think the points that you have mentioned are something that everyone can ponder and cherish. One of the things that stands out to me is where you mentioned about the pre china market and how the wood was so easily available at a fraction of the price of what it is costs now. I mean I am speaking of the examples, the likes of Borneo 3000, Assam Kinam, and Royal Kinam. If people knew, how much I bought them for, I think everyone would be scratching their heads on why didn't i get 5-10 bottles of each. (Only if???)
I am thankful to you for bringing us some of the best oils available anywhere and sharing them with us..
 
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Alkhadra

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#74
Brother khadra
If I may. I just had an epiphany and I think part of the issue in all th misunderstanding comes from understanding to differentiate between co2 or similar ways of extracting vs different ways of distilling. Latter is only via hydro or steam. Former via dif gasses and pressure. It could very well be that the resin conversion/ extraction happens via gas extraction then that is distilled into oil. Pretty much what ASO has just said he has done on the release of the latest kinam oil : lam'ah.

My main question after all of this is:
What is giving these genre of oils it's main unique quality? The low heat long distillation, the collection of oil and separating the head from heart/tail, or the unique quality of the oil trapped in the resin vs the oil in the wood. We shall find out soon I Hope.
Brother Rasoul, please refer to the following quote, I think this will make my position more clear to you.
'Oud' is the distillate of agarwood essential oil via steam or hydro distillation. Anything else, while being an agarwood extract, falls outside of the realm of 'Oud'.

Just as a genuine jasmine sambac absolute or CO2 will never become Ruh Motia, so too a CO2 extract of agarwood cannot be (and should not be expected to be) Oud.
I am only showing this because consistency of terminology should be utilized in order to relay the actual message rather than spread the wrong idea (with the right intention). @Ensar stated very clearly that in his respected opinion, he doesn't believe that extraction of Agarwood = Oud. Due to this, I honestly find it hard to believe that Ensar would utilize extraction and call it Oud, and that the misunderstanding stems from this.

I am not arguing against @Ensar's claim in which he said that they are able to distill resin (if he says he can, then who am I to say otherwise?). That is beyond my point of argument. Rather, I am merely arguing against the points of our fellow members @Shabby and @PEARL.
 
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Ensar Oud

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#75
Assalamu Alaykm brother Pearl,
How are you Akhi? It's good to hear from you again!

I have read most of this thread, and I understand @Shabby's point in clarifying that Oleoresin marketing does not denote resin actually being distilled. Rather, it denotes distilling the oil that is inside the wood, and keeping the smell true to the Oleoresin. @Taha makes this very clear in this post:

AlShareef has argued the validity of the LOT project, claiming that resin cannot be distilled. Rather, oil pockets in the resin can be distilled, further maximizing yield.
@Shabby has made it very clear on the other forum to Al Shareef that the LOT Project is merely keeping a scent that is true to the resin, and NOT distilling resin.
You have used the same premise as @Shabby, in stating that Al Shareef uses the same marketing plot by describing certain smells as "resin" or "resinous".

All of this was fine and dandy for me.. :D Until @Ensar said the following:

And..

Based on those two quotes above, this statement of yours: "We've established that there is no resin/oleoresin in oils distilled from agarwood, it has to be extracted; that is objective, scientific fact." becomes false depending on who you refer to when you say: "We've established"...who is "We"? Who has established this? @Ensar is outright saying that you CAN fully convert resin content into oil (through distillation). Thus, he has established something completely different from what you and I have.
@PEARL's point about duplicity still stands. ACCORDING to Shareef, resin cannot be distilled into oil, and he takes issue with certain folks' usage of English. Yet he employs the same language. That's all PEARL is saying. Whether his (and Shareef's) assumptions are correct, it doesn't change anything about the point he was trying to make.
 

Ensar Oud

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#76
sorry ensar. didnt see this before i posted. good to read a definitive answer on both matters above. now if you can or willing to say more in regards to my questions above, awesome. if not, i understand and support that decision too. But hoping you make the right decision ;) kidding. really. sincerely.
I regret telling people about copper pots vs steel, different water types, different soak vessels, etc. Read enough of this forum (especially the posts from 2011-12) and you can begin to see how it was a breeding ground for competition throwing my own words right back at me. I don't mind competition, and ultimately the market will decide who's selling what is worth their hard-earned money and who is not; I just don't like competing with my own clones. So the kind of information sharing that you're after is a thing of the past, I'm afraid.

All the quotes by @Alkhadra are correct. Resin CAN be distilled into oil, and I utilize distillation and not extraction (unless I expressly say otherwise, as in the case of Guallam Solide). Other than that, I am not at liberty to say anything. My oils are my spokeswomen. Ask them, and they will surely tell you everything you need to know. ;)
 
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Alkhadra

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#77
@PEARL's point about duplicity still stands. ACCORDING to Shareef, resin cannot be distilled into oil, and he takes issue with certain folks' usage of English. Yet he employs the same language. That's all PEARL is saying. Whether his (and Shareef's) assumptions are correct, it doesn't change anything about the point he was trying to make.
He does take issue with certain folk's usage of English. However, his reasons to why are what matter. His reason for taking issue to terminology is because he believes that the usage of the term "oleo-resin" was being used by some to not only describe the scent of an oil, but rather to also describe what the oil is made from. Hence how he came to his conclusions. Now..whether there was a misunderstanding on his behalf or not, what Pearl is saying is that Al Shareef uses the same methods of nomenclature in describing scent, such as "resin" and "resinous". However, this is besides the point, Al Shareef is describing the scent of resin. He did not think the LOT project was describing the scent of resin, hence why he isn't doing the same thing (even though employing the same language).

Due to the following... PEARL's post does in fact fall flat, as he compared apples and oranges (due to him claiming Al Shareef does the exact same thing, WITHOUT understanding the premise that Al Shareef is basing his argument on).

Heck, Al Shareef flat out mentions that you can use the term Oleoresin as an expression in his posts, see the image below:
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He outright says that you can use the term as an expression, the same way he uses "resin" and "resinous" as an expression.
 
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Ensar Oud

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#78
He does take issue with certain folk's usage of English. However, his reasons to why are what matter. His reason for taking issue to terminology is because he believes that the usage of the term "oleo-resin" was being used by some to not only describe the scent of an oil, but rather to also describe what the oil is made from. Hence how he came to his conclusions. Now..whether there was a misunderstanding on his behalf or not, what Pearl is saying is that Al Shareef uses the same methods of nomenclature in describing scent, such as "resin" and "resinous". However, this is besides the point, Al Shareef is describing the scent of resin. He did not think the LOT project was describing the scent of resin, hence why he isn't doing the same thing (even though employing the same language).

Due to the following... PEARL's post does in fact fall flat, as he compared apples and oranges (due to him claiming Al Shareef does the exact same thing, WITHOUT understanding the premise that Al Shareef is basing his argument on).
Your post gave me brain ache. I'm sure @PEARL is being rushed into the ICU as we speak. If we took such care to dissect the 'reasons' behind everyone's statements, I'm sure we would have no gripes in this community. But we don't now, do we?
 
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Alkhadra

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#79
Your post gave me brain ache. I'm sure @PEARL is being rushed into the ICU as we speak. If we took such care to dissect the 'reasons' behind everyone's statements, I'm sure we would have no gripes in this community and all wars would be over. But we don't now, do we?
Salamtak Habibi, have a Tylenol and please do address the photo I posted in my last post :oops:
 
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