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kinam in hainan always. in purple kinam, hell yeah. in JSL, i have never gotten it and but other respected members in past have picked up something along those lines. re kinam rouge, is a most subtle one and least sensed of all oils bearing the name kinam in them. personally, the chase of all things kinam is yesterday's news for me. so many other notes and facets that are equally as impressive and awesome as kinam.

Morning Swipe - AA Malaya today I got something new some wet green grass(moss) kind of feel

Morning Burn - Shoyeido Nan-Kun


Evening Burn - Nippon Kodo Kyara Taikan super strong fragrance but 100% oil based and other natural material used to build that fake Kyara effect


Night Swipe - EO Kinam Rougue today I'm like Woah with it so I'm enjoying [emoji6]

Night Burn - Dr Incense Sinking Tarakan Kynam Version my favorite stick this is so rich in oil that it switches off and we gotta light it again... the experience is heavenly

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For me I enjoy Kinam note more when I'm burning some incense sticks be it green oil Kyara note in Shokaku or Incense Master Sg - Sinking Tarakan(Kinam Version)... I'm looking to dive into heating wood(currently burning it with coal with mica) may be submitism Burner or Kyara Kodo burner... pushing that to to second half 2019...


In oils for me I dont look for kinam specific note for me to grade an oil ... like I still enjoy the likes of Oud Yusuf, Aroha Kyaku etc and really rate them high ... but I also have an experience where I feel some wild oils are expensive namely Oud Royale SL but to my nose Peoples Ceylon gives me more pleasure being an organic oil it still does it for me what OR cant. This is just an example and no means to putting Oud Royale down...

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i think i know your reservation about ORSL. one word of unsolicited advice if i may: DO NOT sell it. do not even use it. just tuck it away and forget about it. this oil will become an absolute legend. i feel it with every molecule in my body and based on my experience of seeing how it has developed since day 1. its richness and depth is unmatched by any other sri lankan i have seen to date and that includes 8 oils.

I enjoy ORSL but the point I was making is I connect with Peoples ceylon more even it being organic and not a wild oil....

I'm thinking of ordering some more of ORSL I dont sell my oils bro ... I love to revisit my old school Abdul Samad Qureshi oils also ... it makes me appreciate what I'm experiencing with these artisanal oils more

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Just curious guys, what would ORSL be expected to gain with further aging?

Dan, it sounds as if you just prefer the scent profile of PC more than ORSL. Are there any particular notes that PC has that lead you that way or is it just an overall sort of thing? I should be able to whiff ORSL in the near future.

From what I’ve read it sounds like Sri Lanka has been all but wiped out of the older wild agarwoods suitable for a quality artisinal distillation. If that’s the case, I’m not expecting to see many future releases of wild oils from SL unless they happen to made from stockpiled wild woods.

Rasoul, have you sourced any good to excellent wild Sri Lankan agarwood for heating? Just wondering as I’d like to smell this wood.

Funny enough I am not a big fan of walla parts wood for heating. Many have too fishy/salty of an aroma and others are varnishy and high toned. They are awesome for scenting the room or high temp enjoyment but for kodo, I don’t enjoy them. Iirc Japanese consider it peasent wood and overall seem to have no respect for gyrinops. Trying hard to remember where I read this. I vaguely recall couple of places.

As for orsl, is more about losing some of those angular and harsher top notes and gaining roundness and becoming more liquor like and vintage vibe. I am not sure if it’s my imagination or there is actual gain in the density of base notes. I mean either due to lack of top notes, the base and heart appear bigger than that same oil during youth or those notes literally collapse into the base and heart and make them richer fuller rounded and more complex.

All this is just part educated guess and part speculation on my end. Is best to ask the makers: @Kruger @Ensar Oud where this oil will go. In fact it would be super duper awesome if they could chronicle the various stages of aging on some of the oils they have had for a long time and share with us how they have changed in the process.

Funny enough I am not a big fan of walla parts wood for heating. Many have too fishy/salty of an aroma and others are varnishy and high toned. They are awesome for scenting the room or high temp enjoyment but for kodo, I don’t enjoy them. Iirc Japanese consider it peasent wood and overall seem to have no respect for gyrinops. Trying hard to remember where I read this. I vaguely recall couple of places.

As for orsl, is more about losing some of those angular and harsher top notes and gaining roundness and becoming more liquor like and vintage vibe. I am not sure if it’s my imagination or there is actual gain in the density of base notes. I mean either due to lack of top notes, the base and heart appear bigger than that same oil during youth or those notes literally collapse into the base and heart and make them richer fuller rounded and more complex.

All this is just part educated guess and part speculation on my end. Is best to ask the makers: @Kruger @Ensar Oud where this oil will go. In fact it would be super duper awesome if they could chronicle the various stages of aging on some of the oils they have had for a long time and share with us how they have changed in the process.

I didn't realize gyrinops was a "peasant" of heating woods! I was thinking with good grade/ quality heating wood you'd get a pleasant aroma and not varnish/fishy/ salty or anchovy notes. Haha. I'll see for myself if I can.

I agree it would be informative to hear Ensar and Thomas speak about the generalities of how well stored oud oils can be expected to age and what would likely happen given sufficient time. After all these guys have been at it long enough to have first hand experience.

Funny enough I am not a big fan of walla parts wood for heating. Many have too fishy/salty of an aroma and others are varnishy and high toned. They are awesome for scenting the room or high temp enjoyment but for kodo, I don’t enjoy them. Iirc Japanese consider it peasent wood and overall seem to have no respect for gyrinops. Trying hard to remember where I read this. I vaguely recall couple of places.

As for orsl, is more about losing some of those angular and harsher top notes and gaining roundness and becoming more liquor like and vintage vibe. I am not sure if it’s my imagination or there is actual gain in the density of base notes. I mean either due to lack of top notes, the base and heart appear bigger than that same oil during youth or those notes literally collapse into the base and heart and make them richer fuller rounded and more complex.

All this is just part educated guess and part speculation on my end. Is best to ask the makers: @Kruger @Ensar Oud where this oil will go. In fact it would be super duper awesome if they could chronicle the various stages of aging on some of the oils they have had for a long time and share with us how they have changed in the process.

I couldn't disagree more with our Japanese colleagues. I think heating Walla wood, even on low heat, offers joys that are not to be found from any other type of agarwood. From the oreganoed algaed peppermint veering on spearmint to the kinamic (poor man's kinam, no doubt) semi-medicinal vibes, I just find it a very happy and gleeful sort of thing to do in the evening, when you just want to kick back and pretend your work is done for the day....

As for the aging of ORSL, you can expect many wrinkles along with bald spots to appear amid its thinning grays, nay it'll turn into a wiser, more slowly speaking, deeper meaning sage marinated in oxygen and the sheer weight of time.

Jing Shen Lu - for me opens bit smokey with a very balanced sweetness to go with.. but the best part of JSL is the dry down I think without exaggerating I prefer JSL dry down to Kinam Rouge (I'm sure Ensar and others may laugh) .. what I get is pretty close experience of burning Shokaku (Shoyeido top of line Kyara stick) I assume it has a Kinamic Dry Down.

Went for dinner with @Simla House and @Rasoul S last night and caught my first glimpse of Port Moresby and a revisit of Borneo Diesel. First wear of PM and 2nd of BD. Both insanely deep oils, but in very different ways. Also a couple whiffs of Jayapula off the vial...was too intense at the moment, but definitely heft with intrigue. Three day oud break and getting back into it with these guys was a real treat.

Been just short of 24 hours and PP is hanging on after showering and hand washes. Going to follow up now with a nice chunk of PM Privee and veg on the couch.