Best Oud Wood you have ever burn

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  1. John

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    Yes. This i had recently obtained from JK.

    To quote JK "Agallocha Kyara - harvested right by the coast in Kerala. Known as Samundari, meaning “ocean”. It has a kinda salty sea air quality to the scent. The collection ranges 18th to mid 19th century. No way to know when each piece was harvested - but we know it’s all a good 150-300 year old harvests."
     
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    For JK's Kyara - check out his instagram. It's insane wood. Kyara pieces - some are half a kilo in size. It's got this marbling of colors thats really beautiful. I believe it's from a single family who had collected it all. He's been posting photos of all the different pieces - all of them are for sale apparently. If you want to drool, take a look :)
     
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    @Asalkin1 are they his pieces, or is he selling them on behalf of the family?
     
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    Good question - not sure. You'd have to ask him. He's very responsive on instagram/etsy/ouddict.
     
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    Talking with JK about getting a small piece for myself - he sent me a couple photos that aren't on his instagram and a couple that are (for those who aren't on social media). Some big chunks!
     

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    Did he say if this wood was from aquilaria trees?
     
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    I would presume so given that JK is listing it for sale as Agallocha Kyara. Do you feel it is in a Cedar family instead and have you smelled this same batch of material?
     
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    Haven't smelled this particular species before hence it aroused my curiosity....
     
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    Indeed. I have caught that very interesting gingerbread house vibe on white kynam before but never have i smelled this really unique full bodied incense that i have only smelled while attending certain events as a youth.
     
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    As well i don't bring up the smell of church incense to instigate any one but i tell you this from smelling the prayer offerings from Hindus to the Korean Zen Borim sticks and Orthodox Greek church incense to Catholic churches this particular lot of wood from Jk have i only smelled the scent from holiday celebration at the Catholic church. I don't go to church any more but maybe someday i would go again to smell that incense.
     
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    The last thing that I can associate with the profile of this wood would be certain variety’s of South African landrace herb or some other batches that have blessed the states since back in the day.
     
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    That all seems very exciting and that fourth piece looks like nice oud. Despite this individual's moral stance and whether or not he himself is doing this, it brings up a good point to be aware of which is just because something looks impressive in a picture doesn't mean it is, and it's common place for hunters and distillers to show you one thing, and then do the old switcharoo.

    Anther concern I have is the following. For example the top left picture clearly isn't edited and shows the actual colors, yet presto chango, with a bit of photo editing the log in the top left of the first photo becomes that resinous black piece in the bottom center, and the piece on the top right in the first picture, becomes that dark piece on the bottom right. Sure one could argue that it is to enhance the 'real colors' of the wood, and you could hedge your bets and buy one of the pieces, but I can guarantee you your eyes don't have the same filters as photoshop.

    Filters are very useful to visually enhance images but they won't make plain old oud smell like Kyara.

    For example have a look at this: Kyarabdb.jpg

    Some pretty juicy looking Kyara, right?
     
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    He posted on instagram the last 2 days. 8 long videos showing the entirety of this collection without any filters. JK has been involved in the scene for a long time. No one in their right mind out entrust these kind of heirlooms to someone who wasn't an expert with agarwood.

    Either way - I think it's odd to compare JK to an unscrupulous agarwood dealer who does bait and switch. He's another high quality vendor who has proven to be an honest business person (5 stars on Etsy with over 800 reviews - a marketplace where vendors don't have control over their reviews) bringing great products to market - there's room in the sandbox for a few ;)

    Not saying we shouldn't question things like this - that's what's great about forums like this. They can help to promote transparency for buyers. But based on your post, it sounds like you think we should question the authenticity of this wood or JK's moral compass. I'm not butt hurt about it, but why not be positive about it? Lots of people have tried and reviewed the wood already - I'm sure JK would send you some to try. Maybe you'd love it.
     
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    Adam pictures i would not go by because you can show a resiouns/oily piece of wood and that does not mean anything. I thought in order to gauge Kynam/Kyara one has to use it smell it so on to really gauge and study the infection/fibers of the wood?
     
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    I can certainly see how you may have took that as such, but my point isn't about JK. For many the products he shares and the woods he sells are the most exotic things they've ever seen and he's allowed to market his wares as he wants, but I'm definitely not in the same sandbox. . . you can play there if you want to ;)

    Actually the whole thing was pretty confusing for me, because at first I was under the impression that it was all supposedly Kyara, when obviously not. And the two vintage logs I questioned him about he mentioned that he doesn't actually have in his possession so that was the end of my interest, but then the videos were made referencing the sizes of other wood which I wasn't concerned about in the least. But it sure did shift the attention that direction. . .

    @Asalkin1 just out of curiosity, have you ever smelled certified Kyara? And what's your take on the difference between the Japanese school of thought and the Chinese approach? And considering the history of agarwood, what century would you say the majority of Kyara has to originate from?

    Haha, you're probably right. All these years of experience behind the scenes of agarwood have left me leery.

    Most the time when something looks too good to be true . . . it is.

    Ooozing kyara
    Kyarabdb.jpg

    Actual wood
    Nonkyarabdb.jpg

    The above is Bois d' Iris wood, also known as Iris Kyara :rolleyes:

    Absolutely. But the individual has to first have a reference as to what is actually Kyara.

    Most that are new to the oud scene have never smelled high quality oud before, so call it Rainbow Kinam for all they care, and they'll be bragging to their friends.
     
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    Agreed Adam. That is the thing like you said it comes back to experience and that’s why I have nothing but love for someone like Ensar who has dedicated himself to scent. I also have lots of love for Jk as well.
    As you know we can be given two different batches of green kynam and two different batches of white kynam. Both cut same thickness so surface area is not a consideration and as we study the different batches there will be clear indications of what is the higher grade and so on. Or one can argue it so subjective but you can’t argue with the therapeutic effects of the wood.
    On a side note just to throw it into the universe the Ceram 96 that Ensar offered last year has to be some of the best wood I have been blessed to smell with that crazy floral purple that’s from a different dimension for sure. So for sure the Ceram 96 or 97 not sure the year is some of the finest material I have.
     
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    @John absolutely, and I too have love and respect for those who dedicate themselves to their work, their mission, and who contribute to the advancement of an art or science, and conversely I believe it's equally important to preserve the art and tradition and not exploit newcomers and blind consumerism.

    Again this isn't about any one individual, the topic however brought up a point that I feel is extremely important for everyone to understand.

    I'm not worried about you at all, you're experienced with wood and know what you like, the concern I have is for the tradition when so many out there are drooling over fantastic pictures of oud made to look like 'kyara' and the overall preservation of the standards we go by.

    Just as so many now call 'natural oud,' the mono-toned agarwood oil produced in plantations, artisanal oud oil, it seems we're heading in the direction to call what was once just regular oud, 'kyara.'

    I know that's the general direction of society, fast food is now a standard people live by, musk is white, ambergris is ambar, and so for people with those standards oud might as well be kyara.

    You and everyone else are free to do as you like, but for me, my food is homemade, musk granules are black and from a sac with an orifice near the testicles of the deer, ambergris is the floating chunk of whale excretion, oud remains oud, Kyara, Kyara and Kinam Kinam.

    While I'm also glad to hear of your enjoyment of Ceram '96, I'm not fishing for compliments for Ensar Oud, I'm raising awareness in hopes to uphold the standards.
     
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    Indeed Adam.

    I can completely agree with you on the market side and i find it all quite funny.

    Well what i like is honesty and people telling the truth. That is the only thing i wish for in this world from any one. Love and respect follow being honest. I feel we all share many things in the same light that are dear to us. For all is one from the beginning to the end and thats what the world has lost. Or so maybe thats what i perceive from what i observe.

    I hope you all don't think i would try to blow smoke in your face or feel thats what i was trying to do. I only brought up the Ceram sinking i forgot the year96/97 but Ensar released the wood around March last year. I brought this wood up because it has the most insane floral note that i have seen. So unique that i would consider it to bet among the best wood i have ever burnt. So i speak from a place of honesty. Just like the Baram Red that Ensar put out in the past. Again the Baram Red had the most unique spice note that i have come across. A spice note that i can't really express. Not sure if the majority of the Baram Red was from Tarakan or Brunei or what. All i know is that i don't find that note that i do in Baram Red around. So again another Honorable mention of the best Oud wood ever burnt Baram Red!!!
     
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    I am very much into preservation my self in different formats on different levels. As you brought up art and to me life is art and art is life. What is art and Taha gave a good response and i agree with him.
    So if we go to the tradition of the Japanese school of thought vs the Chinese school of thought. What would we conclude. I would say in conclusion what Jk has is KynamKinamQinam!! So going by what school of training would you say this wood would be considered?
     
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    EO - Brunei Kinam, Sinking Ceram, Bois Di Iris, Port Morsbey

    Dr Incense - Green Black and Yellow Kinam

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