Funk and the Nose of the Beholder

[Royal Bengal Oud]

Now just how were you able to figure out that we cooked Purple Kinam in an old rice cooker from the 1950s?!?

Putting down Purple Kinam says nothing about the oil...

Not in a negative way Ensar Bhaia , On the Contrary it's complement ,To really smell 1950 Basmati is very rare , the Original Strain from back then when grown and matured right has a Perfume kinda of smell , Kinda like Jasmine Rice but with out the Jasmine , It's Old Scent Scent from back in the Days , I smelled 1950 Basmati in 1988 at wedding , I was in the Kitchen and chef advised he has a treat , Original 1950 Basmati ,, when he opened the Canister that exact top hit my nose , I was young lad back then , The basmati in the market today does not have the exact profile any more because of cross breeding , In Bangladesh we have at least 590 varieties of rice , every one has a unique scent and taste , on the Contrary PK took be back to 1988 no joke to classic scent , , It's a compliment Bhaia , most Mystic thing is walking through a rice market right after harvest . So many different nuances are in the Air , please Forgive me if I did not explain correctly and by the way , I Love all your oils Bhaia , no joke , Oud Dul Kifl is my Favorite oil so thick and juicy I dream of it at night ,

 

[Ensar Oud]

I was only joking Bhaia. Some people do cook oud in large kitchen pots, so a 1950's rice cooker would not be too much of a stretch....

It would be interesting if you could source a slither of Vietnamese purple kinam (from Yamada Matsu or elsewhere) and see it the resemblance to purple kinam is any stronger than to your beloved basmati....

My other comment was not directed at you.

 

[Aleata]

Well I smell a rat. When I hear you say you did not apprciate PK and are trading it for some 'good' Indian oil, I cannot take your comments seriously. And anybody who has had experience with PK is going to feel the same way.

Me a rat? I would not say that. Is this not the right place to speak about oud?
Sorry if my point of view does not suit you. But I have all the respect for every artisan, in this case oud distiller, Ensar above all. Maybe I should have keep my opinion to myself. But I spoke honestly. Now, it is clear that my word does not really count because I discovered oud 2 months ago. And you @kesiro must have had your nose full of oud for years. If I were a rat, I do not think I would have bought, during these 2 months, for $1395 from Ensar (and I am not a particularly rich student), so sorry if my view on PK does not please you, but I think that I have the right to say one or two words about an oil, even if this oil costs $2500/3gr (on the contrary it is a sane thing to speak about the "untouchable" or to question this price). Anyway, I do not really care if my opinion suits you or not, and I wrote those lines to let you know that.
Have a nice day and enjoy your superior sense of smell .

 

[PEARL]

Ramadan Mubarak
@Ensar you are correct, one not appreciating the oil has nothing to do with the oil, that's something else, that's preference.
@Aleata I read you post stating that you traded PK because you did not appreciate it and I don't see or smell a rat at all. The oil simply was not to your preference or liking, which does NOT speak to the quality of the oil, nor did you mention anything about that. From reports I've seen the consensus is that PK is a very high quality oil, it just didn't fit your style, no harm, no foul. I think the confusion is subjective preference vs objective quality of the oil. I've sampled well over 100 oils, many fabulous oils, yet my collection of full bottles is right at ten; it's not because the oils weren't good oils or even great ones, but rather that they didn't fit my own unique preference and style aesthetic.

 

[peter4ptv]

Now just how were you able to figure out that we cooked Purple Kinam in an old rice cooker from the 1950s?!?

Putting down Purple Kinam says nothing about the oil...

i do not think Aleata try to putt down PK in any way he just made a comment that he found another oil so similar to PK for him.
from the reviews most people agreed that PK is outstanding oil and comparing another oil to it did not mean they try somehow to putt down the oil.
anyhow another member also point it out that there is no similarity between the 2 oils, me personally will take the second opinion as the other member has done a lot more reviews that i am familiar with and they are exact match with my own feeling on the oils he has review it.
again Ensar oils are so popular and like it or not people will continued to compare other oils to them.

 

[kesiro]

Certainly agree with you Pearlito Bandito, its just that something does not add up to me. Coming on here to espouse that some inexpensive oil is 100% the same as Purple Kinam, only to then state he did not care for the PK does not make much sense to me. Call me a skeptic in life but so far thats served me pretty well. Nevertheless, I put my money where my mouth is and ordered a sample of the PK double to put any confusion to rest.

 

[Ensar Oud]

Me a rat? I would not say that. Is this not the right place to speak about oud?
Sorry if my point of view does not suit you. But I have all the respect for every artisan, in this case oud distiller, Ensar above all. Maybe I should have keep my opinion to myself. But I spoke honestly. Now, it is clear that my word does not really count because I discovered oud 2 months ago. And you @kesiro must have had your nose full of oud for years. If I were a rat, I do not think I would have bought, during these 2 months, for $1395 from Ensar (and I am not a particularly rich student), so sorry if my view on PK does not please you, but I think that I have the right to say one or two words about an oil, even if this oil costs $2500/3gr (on the contrary it is a sane thing to speak about the "untouchable" or to question this price). Anyway, I do not really care if my opinion suits you or not, and I wrote those lines to let you know that.
Have a nice day and enjoy your superior sense of smell .

Hi @Aleata. Nothing wrong with voicing your opinion, mate. It just seems a bit funny for a newcomer to break the ice with a comment such as "Yo guys, check out such and such on HOM, it's identical to Purple Kinam – which I don't really care for, btw!" These kind of scenarios require quite a bit more planning, if they're to go down smoothly in a crowd of gun-slingin' carpenters, if you know what I mean.

I, for one, don't take any offense at all from your comments. I know what Purple Kinam is. It means so much to me I recently stopped selling full bottles of it and am currently only offering .7gr v-vials as a way of sharing the scent... Your comment is quite timely, in fact, as all I need is a bit of encouragement to discontinue it altogether.... I'd have to say, hands down, the only oils to occupy a similar place in my heart as Purple Kinam would be the likes of Nha Trang LTD and Brunei Kinam.

 

[peter4ptv]

Certainly agree with you Pearlito Bandito, its just that something does not add up to me. Coming on here to espouse that some inexpensive oil is 100% the same as Purple Kinam, only to then state he did not care for the PK does not make much sense to me. Call me a skeptic in life but so far thats served me pretty well. Nevertheless, I put my money where my mouth is and ordered a sample of the PK double to put any confusion to rest.

Kesiro, looks like you still do not get it, Aleata is getting upset not because people do not go and buy the oil he mention it to compare but because anytime here on Gaharu anybody compare any cheaper oil to any of the oils from Ensar few people are getting so defensive and start calling names to the members.
after all this is an open forum to discuss opinions on oils from any vendor correct? if not please let us know so we will not mention any other oils from now on.

 

[kesiro]

Me a rat? I would not say that. Is this not the right place to speak about oud?
Sorry if my point of view does not suit you. But I have all the respect for every artisan, in this case oud distiller, Ensar above all. Maybe I should have keep my opinion to myself. But I spoke honestly. Now, it is clear that my word does not really count because I discovered oud 2 months ago. And you @kesiro must have had your nose full of oud for years. If I were a rat, I do not think I would have bought, during these 2 months, for $1395 from Ensar (and I am not a particularly rich student), so sorry if my view on PK does not please you, but I think that I have the right to say one or two words about an oil, even if this oil costs $2500/3gr (on the contrary it is a sane thing to speak about the "untouchable" or to question this price). Anyway, I do not really care if my opinion suits you or not, and I wrote those lines to let you know that.
Have a nice day and enjoy your superior sense of smell .

Listen, it has nothing to do with an opinion suiting me or not. Some things just did not make sense to me but if I read the situation incorrectly, I have no problem acknowledging that.
I make no claims of superiority regarding oud or my sense of smell, either directly or implied. But, presumably, since I am a a lot older than you, and by your admission, more experienced with these oils, please take the advice of @Alkhadra, myself and others regarding getting to know these oils before reserving final judgement. Also, as discussed ad nauseam, Oud is an extremely complex substance with many nuances. Similar notes do not make oils equal.

Congratulations on your purchase and a sincere welcome to the world of this magical substance.

 

[peter4ptv]

Hi @Aleata. They've gone and pitched that entire product like this: "It's exactly the same as Purple Kinam, so don't take our word for it, just buy it!" is what the description and testimonials boil down to.
. But to say it looks like it, and smells like it, so buy this instead of that.... no serious vendor will do such a thing, and it is even blameworthy to do so in Islam. And Allah knows best.

Ensar, i think you are only assuming this and have never read the HOM description, if not please read it, do not just badmouth vendor publicly with your own words.

 

[kesiro]

Kesiro, looks like you still do not get it, Aleata is getting upset not because people do not go and buy the oil he mention it to compare but because anytime here on Gaharu anybody compare any cheaper oil to any of the oils from Ensar few people are getting so defensive and start calling names to the members.
after all this is an open forum to discuss opinions on oils from any vendor correct? if not please let us know so we will not mention any other oils from now on.

Uh, no. That in not what happens. I explained above.

 

[peter4ptv]

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[Ensar Oud]

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One day, my friend!... One day... We'll be praying together in the front row of some Beverly Hills mosque (@kooolaid79 leading the prayers, biryani in trunk), sharing Bulgarian feta cheese straight from the tin, and some fine pipe tobacco in the form of a finely crafted perfume for me (you can smoke all the hashish you like)... to the tunes of a special horse manure concoction from a hundred years ago, sold on eBay at a reasonable price by some guy on Bangka Island, or Kuwait. This music crept by me upon the waters. Happy Ramadan to you, dear Peter.

 

[peter4ptv]

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[Aleata]

Hi,
I apologize for spontaneously speaking and without the necessary knowledge, there was absolutely no intention on my part of disrespecting Ensar or his product; If it had been my will, I would have had only to remember the agreeable and wise proverb: "La bave du crapaud n'atteint pas la blanche colombe". Anyway, thank you guys, peter4ptv for your right and nice attitude, kesiro for your moderator work, which include to defend what you consider to be fair, and maître Ensar for your phenomenal work! May the Oud lead me on the path of humility.
Très belle soirée à vous tous
Aleata

 

[PEARL]

@kesiro pirelli p-zero, I can certainly dig where you're coming from looking at the matter in total; in my response I only focused on appreciation or not of the oil preference wise.
We have to be mindful of how different people assess an oil. Some will focus solely on an oils scent profile, the what an oil smells like perspective, specifically, what notes the oil displays. From that perspective I have no doubt that there IS an oil that may display very similar notes as PK.
Then we have others, the oud geeky's, that are concerned with an oils scent profile as well as an oils scent characteristics. Scent characteristics goes a step further and looks at the notes and how they are. The depth and richness(not to be confused with projection/strength because you can have loud flat notes as well as well rounded, juicy, 3 dimensional notes that don't project as well) of notes and how they intermingle, vertical and horizontal complexity, progression from top to base, how they display varying degrees of resin, off notes, dusty white wood notes, evidence in an oil that displays the quality and grade of wood it was distilled from, etc. From that perspective I have no doubt that there IS NOT an oil that smells like PK.
@Aleata apology is unnecessary and I personally don't think you had mischief in your intent, it's just that the issue of certain comparisons does have negative history you may be unaware of. What else is in your package to Mumbai that you're trading?

 

[Aleata]

@kesiro pirelli p-zero, I can certainly dig where you're coming from looking at the matter in total; in my response I only focused on appreciation of not of the oil preference wise.
We have to be mindful of how different people assess an oil. Some will focus solely on an oils scent profile, the what an oil smells like perspective, specifically, what notes the oil displays. From that perspective I have no doubt that there IS an oil that may display very similar notes as PK.
Then we have others, the oud geeky's, that are concerned with an oils scent profile as well as an oils scent characteristics. Scent characteristics goes a step further and looks at the notes and how they are. The depth and richness(not to be confused with projection/strength because you can have loud flat notes as well as well rounded, juicy, 3 dimensional notes that don't project as well) of notes and how they intermingle, vertical and horizontal complexity, progression from top to base, how they display varying degrees of resin, off notes, dusty white wood notes, evidence in an oil that displays the quality and grade of wood it was distilled from, etc. From that perspective I have no doubt that there IS NOT an oil that smells like PK.
@Aleata apology is unnecessary and I personally don't think you had mischief in your intent, it's just that the issue of certain comparisons does have negative history you may be unaware of. What else is in your package to Mumbai that you're trading?

Nice explanation! thanks
In the package, I put 3 little pieces of an amazing oud (the best that I have smelled) "Irian Zen" from EO. I also add a little bit of Mysore 70's tiny pieces of sandalwood, and sandalwood powder ("incense" it is said). These two products are from the Royal Santal Kit EO, splendid santal! When my father smelt those chips he told me that it reminded him of the santal oil he had brought back from Bombay in 1970 .

 

[Aleata]

I hope Zak will be happy ! I put the best I have in this package

 

[kesiro]

@ Pearly White M5, you are always a voice of reason. Very good points made sir. Hope you day is going well my friend.

 

[kooolaid79]

i have read HOM description of the oil since it was first post it for sale on his web site the vendor even totally cut of the full description of the review by Aleata including the part that is same as PK and i think this is very professional of him to cut that part of comparing that is same as PK.
this was what has been post it only on his site from the review in question:
<<<<<<"By the way amazing quality... !" [MH, Switzerland] >>>>>>

One of the things I have noticed in the past is how demeanor your post are here. Maybe it's not your intention but from the outer looks of it, it looks very aggressive. Your tone of belittling of Artisan/distillers continues. I don't know what you get out of this, maybe some enjoyment??
As always you will most definitely share my post with the other forum (even though I don't care) and make a mockery out of the members here.
You call out people two faced people from this forum but yet you don't look at yourself in the mirror?
Maybe you should just swipe some nice Oudh, drink a glass of cold lemon jaggery water, and relax.