Issues Logging on to Gaharu
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Thanks @Steel Hyaena! Lovely to have you here.
Just a kind reminder to everyone that our registration is OPEN.
I believe most are aware that our registration policy has changed a few months ago, prior to which we were forced to manually sign up users. Registration has since been open to the public and it's plain for all to see when new members sign up, as they do quite frequently.
If you have not signed up with the same name as you are known as on other forums, or if you're signing up with a spam-sounding name, it might explain why you haven't been successfully signed up. habz786 is welcome to sign up here. Just do not come on here as Robo317
I would like to use this opportunity to remind everyone to adhere to the gracious and respectful decorum this forum has maintained. We do not tolerate name-calling or any attempts to undermine established business, regardless of whether members of said businesses are active on this forum or not. We encourage open discussion and welcome even the staunches critics and skeptics. However, accusations against any person or company without sufficient proof will not fly here. Lack of etiquette can also have moderators stepping in at their discretion.
Thank you all.
I believe most are aware that our registration policy has changed a few months ago, prior to which we were forced to manually sign up users. Registration has since been open to the public and it's plain for all to see when new members sign up, as they do quite frequently.
If you have not signed up with the same name as you are known as on other forums, or if you're signing up with a spam-sounding name, it might explain why you haven't been successfully signed up. habz786 is welcome to sign up here. Just do not come on here as Robo317
I would like to use this opportunity to remind everyone to adhere to the gracious and respectful decorum this forum has maintained. We do not tolerate name-calling or any attempts to undermine established business, regardless of whether members of said businesses are active on this forum or not. We encourage open discussion and welcome even the staunches critics and skeptics. However, accusations against any person or company without sufficient proof will not fly here. Lack of etiquette can also have moderators stepping in at their discretion.
Thank you all.
I would also add a confrontational attitude to the list of no-no's for this forum. Someone might feel he is the savior of the world because he got a tola of cheap oud from a FB vendor, and kick up a storm of dust. We really don't want that kind of thing here.
It is worthy of note how they deal with those kind of things in other cultures, like Japan or Turkey.... Go to a Japanese tradesman and even so much as look at him the wrong way, and he will very politely ask you to leave the shop.
Quite simply: People don't worship money. Peace of mind, respect, a sense of harmony about one's daily business are all key factors that make or break someone's calling. People want to surround themselves and their families with positive vibes and positive energy. Nobody wants to feel hated or wronged, or coerced into hating.
For the Japanese as well as the Turkish, that's where the buck stops. There is a threshold of decorum and respect that, once crossed, you are not allowed to cross over to the other side again.
It is worthy of note how they deal with those kind of things in other cultures, like Japan or Turkey.... Go to a Japanese tradesman and even so much as look at him the wrong way, and he will very politely ask you to leave the shop.
Quite simply: People don't worship money. Peace of mind, respect, a sense of harmony about one's daily business are all key factors that make or break someone's calling. People want to surround themselves and their families with positive vibes and positive energy. Nobody wants to feel hated or wronged, or coerced into hating.
For the Japanese as well as the Turkish, that's where the buck stops. There is a threshold of decorum and respect that, once crossed, you are not allowed to cross over to the other side again.
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Yes, please keep this forum clear of passionate or obsessive skepticism, which can cause a degeneration of relationships between people in no time. Being critical is a very different thing to what now passes as being critical, which is in fact driven by passion.
One of the great things about this forum is that it is a forum of friendship, for which the basis is trust.
One of the great things about this forum is that it is a forum of friendship, for which the basis is trust.
So I was asked to remove my previous post by our friends on ouddict. I chose my words carefully as to not be purposely inflammatory. I guess it still caused a stir. Well, I have no intention of deleting my post. Just read the last 3-4 pages of the "Price of oud thread". It is filled with innuendo, implied deceit, and almost accusations of fraud, hypocrisy, and double standards. All without specifics, facts, or evidence. Therefore, I stand by my words. They are based on objective assessments which we can all read for ourselves.
I do not claim this forum is perfect as there is no such thing. And, I actually enjoy reading much of what is on Ouddict as there is helpful and informative content.
Everyone has bias, but heaven knows, there are contributors on ouddict who are biased against Ensar. This comes across so obviously that only perhaps an intellectual ( which I am not) will miss it. What ever their reasons, I could not care less. I am not here to defend Ensar. Just to stand up for reason and logic and discourse worthy of the magnificent treasure of the Oud we love. Ouddict can run their forum like they see fit and I have no problem with it at all. Their forum, their rules and policies.
Here, we try very hard to avoid such strife and focus on our enjoyment of oud and all it's blessings.
In closing, there was no intention on my part to create a stir or any ill will. I was stating a fact, as I saw it. The truth does not care about ones 'feelings'.
I do not claim this forum is perfect as there is no such thing. And, I actually enjoy reading much of what is on Ouddict as there is helpful and informative content.
Everyone has bias, but heaven knows, there are contributors on ouddict who are biased against Ensar. This comes across so obviously that only perhaps an intellectual ( which I am not) will miss it. What ever their reasons, I could not care less. I am not here to defend Ensar. Just to stand up for reason and logic and discourse worthy of the magnificent treasure of the Oud we love. Ouddict can run their forum like they see fit and I have no problem with it at all. Their forum, their rules and policies.
Here, we try very hard to avoid such strife and focus on our enjoyment of oud and all it's blessings.
In closing, there was no intention on my part to create a stir or any ill will. I was stating a fact, as I saw it. The truth does not care about ones 'feelings'.
Cross referenced from Ouddict
"There's a thing about a house...Before you clean or tell someone what to do in theirs, you have to clean up your own.
@Habz786 Hablito it's me Pearlito. I want you to ponder something, let's assume Ensar is the owner of Gaharu. Think about this, in the last week or so alone there has been the initiation of an accusation of impropriety without proof. There has been the mocking of the rerelease of Tigerwood, an inflammatory April fools joke, started by a mod no less and perpetuated by other forum staff; @Ouddict even stating that it must be a new batch, for sure and another member "deserving it" for $100. Whereas Ceen was once listed as sold out and rereleased(something vendors do all the time, not a problem) and not an eye was batted(and shouldn't have been in either case). For anyone who remotely thinks that this is to somehow compare Ceen to Tigerwood or Al Shareef to Ensar it is NOT. They are innocent of what occurred, which was double standard. It is to show that another vendor re-released an oil, regardless of reason and no one batted an eye and should not have as it's normal,as I initially wrote. When Tigerwood was re-released it was mocked by several including mods and allowed to stand which is-That's double standard(If the mods feel that my intent with this situational comparison was malicious they can remove it, I will not. Furthermore, maybe next time other vendors will step up and say, "hey we all do this, why are you singling him out", instead of having a problem when a consumers steps up and points it out). There was the mocking of "the end of sandalwood", with staff implying that things like that had been done before, as if the statements are false and saying that it's a scare mongering tactic. High grade wild agarwood and sandalwood supplies are dwindling, its obvious and others have said the same; not to mention CITES, longstanding and new cultivation efforts, the market, arrest and flogging, etc. When he says it, it's mocked. Then there's the countless "coup contrecoup" post, an example would be something like telling a guy who just got a new pair of glasses, "hey man those are really nice glasses, sharp; now you just have to get your nose fixed", here it usually starts by saying something positive about an oil of his, then completely negating the positive. That's just in the last week or so. Getting back to thinking about it... Think about it, if it was your forum would you want that on it, would you want that constant barrage. If so, you'd spend all of your time responding to people who already have their minds made up, people you couldn't appease anyway. Repeated mocking, implications of dishonesty or not knowing what's he's talking about, etc. ad nauseum. When pointing the finger, there are three pointing back at you.
If you truly want a cease fire to Oud War I, how about taking the initiative to be an example and clean your own house.
Shots fired~you may feel that shots are being fired from the other side, while I have my reservations about that(talk about it later) I won't disagree. The thing is for anything that can be remotely viewed as a shot from abroad, five are sent in return and with a completely different tone. Maybe you don't realize or perceive it, maybe you feel like you're innocent. From my perspective as a member and participant of both forums, one capable of detecting all sorts of allegation, accusation, implication and innuendo however clever it may be; that's how I see it and I feel that others see it as well, and not just Kesiro.
There's also this contrived idea that some behave differently when on one forum vs the other. You are correct and it's not because of "split forum personality" it's because when I'm over there I don't have to constantly try to respond and bring reason to accusation, allegation, innuendo, etc. I do when I'm here. And to be clear, despite it being tiring, boring and me rathering I didn't have to, someone's always making accusation, allegation, etc here; As a participant, I participate. It's getting very old though and I hope it doesn't ruin what is otherwise a good, informative and friendly forum.
To what I was going to talk about later...I've shown just some of what's gone on here in just the last week or so. I ask, what shot were initiated from the other side in the last few MONTHS or so? And please, don't say anything about MOCA. Frankly, nearly all of the vendors are MOCA and talking about forum discussion on price(RPI2SH). And please don't say anything about what is actually a response from something initiated here."
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"There's a thing about a house...Before you clean or tell someone what to do in theirs, you have to clean up your own.
@Habz786 Hablito it's me Pearlito. I want you to ponder something, let's assume Ensar is the owner of Gaharu. Think about this, in the last week or so alone there has been the initiation of an accusation of impropriety without proof. There has been the mocking of the rerelease of Tigerwood, an inflammatory April fools joke, started by a mod no less and perpetuated by other forum staff; @Ouddict even stating that it must be a new batch, for sure and another member "deserving it" for $100. Whereas Ceen was once listed as sold out and rereleased(something vendors do all the time, not a problem) and not an eye was batted(and shouldn't have been in either case). For anyone who remotely thinks that this is to somehow compare Ceen to Tigerwood or Al Shareef to Ensar it is NOT. They are innocent of what occurred, which was double standard. It is to show that another vendor re-released an oil, regardless of reason and no one batted an eye and should not have as it's normal,as I initially wrote. When Tigerwood was re-released it was mocked by several including mods and allowed to stand which is-That's double standard(If the mods feel that my intent with this situational comparison was malicious they can remove it, I will not. Furthermore, maybe next time other vendors will step up and say, "hey we all do this, why are you singling him out", instead of having a problem when a consumers steps up and points it out). There was the mocking of "the end of sandalwood", with staff implying that things like that had been done before, as if the statements are false and saying that it's a scare mongering tactic. High grade wild agarwood and sandalwood supplies are dwindling, its obvious and others have said the same; not to mention CITES, longstanding and new cultivation efforts, the market, arrest and flogging, etc. When he says it, it's mocked. Then there's the countless "coup contrecoup" post, an example would be something like telling a guy who just got a new pair of glasses, "hey man those are really nice glasses, sharp; now you just have to get your nose fixed", here it usually starts by saying something positive about an oil of his, then completely negating the positive. That's just in the last week or so. Getting back to thinking about it... Think about it, if it was your forum would you want that on it, would you want that constant barrage. If so, you'd spend all of your time responding to people who already have their minds made up, people you couldn't appease anyway. Repeated mocking, implications of dishonesty or not knowing what's he's talking about, etc. ad nauseum. When pointing the finger, there are three pointing back at you.
If you truly want a cease fire to Oud War I, how about taking the initiative to be an example and clean your own house.
Shots fired~you may feel that shots are being fired from the other side, while I have my reservations about that(talk about it later) I won't disagree. The thing is for anything that can be remotely viewed as a shot from abroad, five are sent in return and with a completely different tone. Maybe you don't realize or perceive it, maybe you feel like you're innocent. From my perspective as a member and participant of both forums, one capable of detecting all sorts of allegation, accusation, implication and innuendo however clever it may be; that's how I see it and I feel that others see it as well, and not just Kesiro.
There's also this contrived idea that some behave differently when on one forum vs the other. You are correct and it's not because of "split forum personality" it's because when I'm over there I don't have to constantly try to respond and bring reason to accusation, allegation, innuendo, etc. I do when I'm here. And to be clear, despite it being tiring, boring and me rathering I didn't have to, someone's always making accusation, allegation, etc here; As a participant, I participate. It's getting very old though and I hope it doesn't ruin what is otherwise a good, informative and friendly forum.
To what I was going to talk about later...I've shown just some of what's gone on here in just the last week or so. I ask, what shot were initiated from the other side in the last few MONTHS or so? And please, don't say anything about MOCA. Frankly, nearly all of the vendors are MOCA and talking about forum discussion on price(RPI2SH). And please don't say anything about what is actually a response from something initiated here."
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<<<<<<even stating that it must be a new batch,>>>>>>>>
@PEARL , it may be some confusion about this as i understand after "final bottle sold" some client ask the vendor he will like to get a bottle of it and it was told that was all sold out. Maybe this is the confusion for some people about the new batch.
@PEARL , it may be some confusion about this as i understand after "final bottle sold" some client ask the vendor he will like to get a bottle of it and it was told that was all sold out. Maybe this is the confusion for some people about the new batch.
That's right. Ensar helpfully clarified that it's the same batch so I don't see that there is any issue. Like I said on Ouddict, Tigerwood 95 is a great Oud at the price.
By the way, thanks Gaharu admin for allowing me to register. I am an old member of Gaharu forum (floraopia) and it's nice to be back in a familiar place.
@peter4ptv welcome Peter, I missed you on the other forum. You are one that is very passionate about your convictions and I had some interesting discussions and debates with you. I'll never forget the time you told me that I was a real piece of art, IMO you wanted to say P.O....Yes, Welcome
@Ouddict the issue and reason why I mentioned you saying it was a new batch for sure is not about any confusion of it being one batch or another. The issue is that your moderator started the mocking, inflammatory, April fools joke of a topic and instead of admonishing him and asking him to remove it as you did with @kesiro , you joined right in with the rest of the "usual suspects". In addition, he was allowed to make that condescending post about a matter that is seen across the industry. Yet, when that particular vendor does it, it becomes an issue to be mocked in the first place. Welcome and I mean that wholeheartedly, Insha'Allah we can be civil and in a true open and objective environment where "Orange is the New Black" and "Deleting post is NOT the new discouraged", my brother.
@Ouddict the issue and reason why I mentioned you saying it was a new batch for sure is not about any confusion of it being one batch or another. The issue is that your moderator started the mocking, inflammatory, April fools joke of a topic and instead of admonishing him and asking him to remove it as you did with @kesiro , you joined right in with the rest of the "usual suspects". In addition, he was allowed to make that condescending post about a matter that is seen across the industry. Yet, when that particular vendor does it, it becomes an issue to be mocked in the first place. Welcome and I mean that wholeheartedly, Insha'Allah we can be civil and in a true open and objective environment where "Orange is the New Black" and "Deleting post is NOT the new discouraged", my brother.
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