Let Oleoresin Talk (LOT) Project

kesiro

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I don't know where I read it recently, maybe a screenshot someone sent me, someone talking of "Chinese and Japanese masters". The hysterical thing about it is if you know any of those folks you know exactly what their reaction would be to some of the things that are said in this community. I do not exaggerate when I say that the entire population of a certain forum would be literally kicked out the door and not given a second look; not to speak of any molecules of oil. The "Chinese & Japanese masters" have, first and foremost, a moral code. A system of decorum and respect that they adhere to like it's their religion.

As a quick DIY experiment, I mentioned certain names to Kruger, and asked him what he thought their reactions would be if they were to read Ouddict. We were in stitches for quite a while, picturing that scenario.
I don’t know any of those masters but even though, it is tough to read some of the stuff on the ‘other’ forum. Very tough. In general, it is useful to hear other opinions and points of view, but I have to make an exception in this case.
I will always be humble student of Oud and certainly I am no authority in its many facets and nuances.
But, I am a savvy and trained critical thinker and even cynic. Those skill tell me, just don’t bother.

The latest words of wisdom are congratulating ASO on making the first oil to contain some Kinam, reveling in their own blissful ignorance. I mean, how do you compete with that? After all the MOCA crap and comments about so called fantasy pricing of certain vendors, they applaud a $3500/2.5gm oil.
And for the record, I take no issue with that price which may be 100% justified. But it just exemplifies the hypocrisy and duplicity which i personnaly detest.
For how precious Oud is to myself and so many others, the peripheral misery which seems to associate with it, really has a depressing influence.
 
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Alkhadra

Guest
I don’t know any of those masters but even though, it is tough to read some of the stuff on the ‘other’ forum. Very tough. In general, it is useful to hear other opinions and points of view, but I have to make an exception in this case.
I will always be humble student of Oud and certainly I am no authority in its many facets and nuances.
But, I am a savvy and trained critical thinker and even cynic. Those skill tell me, just don’t bother.

The latest words of wisdom are congratulating ASO on making the first oil to contain some Kinam, reveling in their own blissful ignorance. I mean, how do you compete with that? After all the MOCA crap and comments about so called fantasy pricing of certain vendors, they applaud a $3500/2.5gm oil.
And for the record, I take no issue with that price which may be 100% justified. But it just exemplifies the hypocrisy and duplicity which i personnaly detest.
For how precious Oud is to myself and so many others, the peripheral misery which seems to associate with it, really has a depressing influence.
Considering the oil contains 22% Kynam, it is a feat within itself. We must always focus, the members who bash one vendor for an Oil, then praise another for doing the same thing are not members that represent the whole. If someone on Ouddict bashed Ensar's Brunei Kinam due to it's price, and then praised ASO's Kynam, you should judge them personally, and not the community as a whole.

Ouddict is not one person, and neither is Gaharu.
 

Luigi

Moderator
Staff member
Mr. Ouddict.

I thought it is about time the never-ending appeals to see my driver's license got you, if not a birth certificate, at least some kind of reply.

I can only attribute the incessant calls for me to identify myself to one thing. It appears that Mr. Ouddict sees this forum as a direct existential threat to his business enterprise and I feel it is important for people to see this.

How can he be so obsessed with my identity, when I am a neutral force? I made sticky threads out of Adam, Ensar and Taha's marketplace threads so they stand out. I have an open marketplace. Paradise of Oils is an active member, so is Alkhadra. Private users sell here. This forum is neutral and open to everyone. The only people who got expelled from here were the Ouddicts – and that was done not by me, but decided on by two independent moderators.

Ouddict is clearly NOT an unbiased platform. As the head and founder, your relentless references to "a certain member" is the most obvious proof.

Who am I?

I am the one who maintains this oasis of respect and genuine information by people who are knee-deep in oud production. This is the difference. Gaharu provides information by people with hands-on experience. Your forum seems to be obsessed with patronizing couch vendors most of whom have never seen an agarwood tree in their lives. Your vendors are re-sellers.

Ensar has transported tons of agarwood to the distilleries across the Far East. Taha has slept in the jungles. Adam is married to his pot. Can you compare these people and the experience that they bring, not to speak of the obvious qualitative difference in the products they sell, to your couch re-sellers with their Facebook and Alibaba sourced products? Can you compare firsthand experience to pedantic dogma read off PDFs that are googled? Lastly, can you compare the respectful discourse, consideration for other people, and peaceful coexistence on a forum where no-one has been the subject of attack by another member, where their dignity and their honor has never been trampled on because of the business interests of others, to your consistently slanderous, sarcasm and mockery-ridden JOKE of a forum?

Rather than speculate about ME as a means of distraction, you should look at the gut-wrenching drama Ensar's post is addressing.

One of the distillers that I have been honored to have on my forum just posted what appears to be his farewell post to oud and to this community. TAHA HAS POSTED HIS LAST POST. Did you think about what that means? Who is Taha addressing? What are the issues he is addressing?

Let me tell you: It's about filth and trash talk and mockery coming from your grand Utopia of coexistence and peace. That is what's happening. Don't change the subject!

We have one of the most well-known artisans with a TON of firsthand experience announcing his imminent departure from this community, bidding farewell to this entire market. And on the other hand, we have Ensar trying to console his friend, to make him stay, encouraging him not to give up. Just like you (and your ilk) clearly don't have any background in philosophy in order to have properly read Ensar's 'empty verbiage' post, you (and your kin) mock with such astounding ignorance Ensar's post about the Chinese masters, failing to see that he is addressing Taha, telling him that he's not one of those who will be shown the door.

This is a dire moment in the history of this community. And what do you do, Donald? You're asking for my driver's license!

Let me ask you this: what is it that YOU are marketing, Mr. Ouddict?
 

PEARL

Well-Known Member
Considering the oil contains 22% Kynam, it is a feat within itself. We must always focus, the members who bash one vendor for an Oil, then praise another for doing the same thing are not members that represent the whole. If someone on Ouddict bashed Ensar's Brunei Kinam due to it's price, and then praised ASO's Kynam, you should judge them personally, and not the community as a whole.

Ouddict is not one person, and neither is Gaharu.
You missed the entire point and purpose of @kesiro statement. When Ensar chose a naming convention for HIS oils or stated that he believes one of his oils to be distilled from actual Kinam/Kyara there were entire portions of threads dedicated to mocking HIS convention and the impossibility, financial infeasability, etc of such an endeavor of an oil being made from Kinam/Kyara. Another vendor comes along with the same premise and for those same people in those threads it’s hip-hip hooray, somebody makes a Kinam/Kyara based oil. That is duplicity, but will they find a way to absolve themselves of their culpability? Will they distract from the point by saying that one has attacked ASO for unfortunately having to use his oil to show the point, when there is no attack but rather the showing of duplicitous behavior? More than likely.
 

kesiro

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You missed the entire point and purpose of @kesiro statement. When Ensar chose a naming convention for HIS oils or stated that he believes one of his oils to be distilled from actual Kinam/Kyara there were entire portions of threads dedicated to mocking HIS convention and the impossibility, financial infeasability, etc of such an endeavor of an oil being made from Kinam/Kyara. Another vendor comes along with the same premise and for those same people in those threads it’s hip-hip hooray, somebody makes a Kinam/Kyara based oil. That is duplicity, but will they find a way to absolve themselves of their culpability? Will they distract from the point by saying that one has attacked ASO for unfortunately having to use his oil to show the point, when there is no attack but rather the showing of duplicitous behavior? More than likely.
Exactly, thank you.
 
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Alkhadra

Guest
You missed the entire point and purpose of @kesiro statement. When Ensar chose a naming convention for HIS oils or stated that he believes one of his oils to be distilled from actual Kinam/Kyara there were entire portions of threads dedicated to mocking HIS convention and the impossibility, financial infeasability, etc of such an endeavor of an oil being made from Kinam/Kyara. Another vendor comes along with the same premise and for those same people in those threads it’s hip-hip hooray, somebody makes a Kinam/Kyara based oil. That is duplicity, but will they find a way to absolve themselves of their culpability? Will they distract from the point by saying that one has attacked ASO for unfortunately having to use his oil to show the point, when there is no attack but rather the showing of duplicitous behavior? More than likely.
Assalamu Alaykm Pearl,

I didn't miss that point. Rather, it did not aid my statement, nor does it affect the validity of it, hence I withheld from mentioning it to not make my post too long. Ouddict is not one person, and neither is Gaharu.
It reminds me when people speak about certain countries and say "your country and your king and your laws" as if I have I am to blame for things.

The showing of "duplicitous behavior" will always be taken as an attack by both forums...One side will argue that the behavior is not duplicitous, the other will argue that it is.
 
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kesiro

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Assalamu Alaykm Pearl,

I didn't miss that point. Rather, it did not aid my statement, nor does it affect the validity of it, hence I withheld from mentioning it to not make my post too long. Ouddict is not one person, and neither is Gaharu.
It reminds me when people speak about certain countries and say "your country and your king and your laws" as if I have I am to blame for things.

The showing of "duplicitous behavior" will always be taken as an attack by both forums...One side will argue that the behavior is not duplicitous, the other will argue that it is.
A little clarification. Ouddict actually is one person, lol, but I understand your point. I do not however appreciate the insinuation I am a simpleton who cannot separate an individual from an entity. You and shabby may be the smart philosophical types and I am just a 51 year old dumb bone doctor, but anyone can read the posts, clearly make out the innuendo's, insults and the unreal projection of Mr. Ouddict himself: "Earlier @Shabby asked me about the difference between Ouddict and Gaharu and I will spell it out clearly very soon. I personally wish that there could be mutual respect and a friendly atmosphere, but I have come to learn that there are certain types of characters in life who will never want peace as they cannot operate that way." If that is not the finest example of the pot calling the kettle black, I do not know of a better one. The usual herd mentality that follows is predictable. Now, I could care less how the other forum is run or what the groupthink over there may be with the core members. Of course there are some excellent contributors and excellent information there. I include you personally in that category. @PEARL said the rest better then I could have.

BTW, for those that didn’t get the pun, the part about ouddict being one person is simply a joke.
 
There are some very fun and nice people on the ouddict forum and also fantastic distillers/producers who make wonderful posts that do honor to oud and to humanity. But there are a few bitter souls who seem uncomfortable unless they have conflict in their lives to give them adrenaline rushes and to give them purpose. A true shame because life is too lovely to waste upon fueling anger and chasing pointless conspiracies.

That constant barrage of petty negativity, so heartily embraced by the head of it, is why I never signed up or posted on that forum.

Life is short and precious. There are real life struggles worthy of our energy and attention...but this stuff is absurd. the egos of the bully crew on ouddict diminish anything good that their forum could otherwise offer.

I hope that the people they target on here are able to shake off the negativity and bullish!t directed at them and know that those few haters do not represent the world of oud lovers at all.

And I hope that the haters are able to rise above whatever is making them so awful... Maybe they can get real world hobbies or something. too bad the oud doesn't improve their spirits as it does mine!
 

kooolaid79

Well-Known Member
I am very sad and depressed to hear and read about Taha’s experience with some people in regards to knowing about Oudh. The last post which he wrote, I personally think he spilled his heart out because of him apologizing of the things he made easier for some people like me to understand.
I have stayed away from many of the posts belittling members here and often times tried to calm and defuse the situation.
Some people just don’t get it that they want nothing to do with you. What part of that is so hard to understand for some? Why go and make a mockery of their work to other people calling it fake stuff. I.E maybe this guy bought it from that guy and put a profit margin of 500%. People also claim they know the exact distiller where they got it from. Well if you know of that go and buy it from him and start your own company and see if that works out for you.
People ridicule people and tarnish their life’s work and at the end of the day I pat your back and you pat my back in all exclusive chat, text, or phone conversation.
That is why jealousy is so hated and dispised by everyone and especially especially our religion of Islam.
Ahhh well at the end haters will always be haters. Can’t help those kind of people.
 

Rasoul S

Well-Known Member
Would I be out of place to humbly request the mods to remove all non oleo resin posts on this thread or better yet the entire forum and clean up the board for future prospects? We gonna scare new folks. If you love your distillers and oudh do it for their sake. Honestly it is very offputting to see all this negative energy, to see ugliness and hatred on a nerdy geeky oud forum that is supposed to have members that I expected to behave more like 60s hippies from Berkeley cslifnronia. All happy jolly and on clouds wearing make love not war t shirts.

I have requested same on the ouddict forum.
 
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Mr Timothy Francis Leary is da man , need more hippies for sure , friends parents are ex hippies, peace & love and forgiveness is soft like a feather , just have to watch out not eat my friends parents space cakes :eek::eek:
Just joking , one thing with hippies, they eat super healthy, fiber makes that doo doo slide , to much info , my bad , sorry about that :oops:
 
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kesiro

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Mr Timothy Francis Leary is da man , need more hippies for sure , friends parents are ex hippies, peace & love and forgiveness is soft like a feather , just have to watch out not eat my friends parents space cakes :eek::eek:
Just joking , one thing with hippies, they eat super healthy, fiber makes that doo doo slide , to much info , my bad , sorry about that
Post of the day cadidate? I say yes. :D:D
 

Kruger

Well-Known Member
@Ouddict: If you believe that people can move on for the better, Ensar and Taha did just that. They have met and made their peace. Let’s let go of what happened half a decade ago.

As for the current situation, I’d like to put things into perceptive.

Don’t forget that the reason you were banned from Gaharu has nothing to do with Ensar or who owns the forum. It was not an under the table backroom conspiracy to get rid of ‘competition’. It’s what you did to Taha. Yours and @Habz786’s singleminded goal to expose his supposed double dealings and alleged jacked-up prices. (Unfortunately for me, I’ve seen his wood and setup in person, which makes the whole thing even more absurd.)

@Ouddict and @Habz786 came onto Gaharu and publicly assassinated Taha’s character. The thread is still up for all to see. And it continues on Ouddict till now. The mockery of his Gen categories and claims that he is overcharging is the most recent example. This in lieu of @Pearl’s posts about duplicity, where nobody says a word of the fact that al Shareef is consistently and on average more expensive than Taha, for a dubious quantity of oil, no less.

Shoot someone in the public square and then tell his corpse you’re proud of its ‘dignified silence’… ‘nothing but sympathy’, right?

Yet, you keep saying how welcome we all should be over at Ouddict.

How on Earth can that be, when you flew all the over onto Gaharu with a smear campaign against Taha. How on Earth can that be when Adam is openly called a liar and a cheat by your top vendor and principal moderator? Ensar didn’t lure Adam away from your forum with some story. The ‘integrity’ and ‘ethical behavior’ of your vendor did. How on Earth can Ensar feel welcome there when ‘a certain vendor’ keeps being hammered? When @PEARL got banned for I still don’t know what. When the co-owner of the forum wants a medal for participation – 'Kesiro is moaning and sulking that he cant keep up with Ouddict.' Very grown up of you, sir.

'Ouddict is not one person but Gaharu is about 3’. You all seem to be awfully intrigued by what’s being said by these 3 people, though.

Besides, Ensar has an entire history of posts here. That’s sufficient reason for him not to do double shifts between forums. No fake moonlandings here.

The worst part is that I feel that Taha is just starting to do some of his best work, and to be bashed like he has been of late on Ouddict and then reading about how welcome he ought to feel and how much respect you have for his stance makes my stomach turn.

Before copper & steel pots came up, it was never mentioned. Now it has become necessary information for many – you might enjoy copper distillations over steel, and to know if an oud is copper or not helps you gauge your purchase. To belittle and mock concepts like Taha’s Gen3 or Gen4, while ALL the distillation threads are based on exactly this kind of information seems naive. If someone enjoys lower temp distillations and is looking at which next Agar Aura oil to get, knowing which Gen an oil falls under is super useful. If this is where we’re going, we should stop talking about crassna & sinensis, and we might as well stop talking about Cambodi & Borneos as well. It’s just too much marketing.

(BTW, Ensar doesn’t even read Ouddict. Ever. So, addressing him directly falls on empty ears. Just thought I should tell you and habz that to spare you both the lengthy posts thinking you’re getting into his head.)
 
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Ensar Oud

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@Ensar pardon me if this is said before. I searched your site and forums before posting. can you kindly shed more light on both

1) the literal meaning of senkoh and why it gets attached to many of your oils from different origins? Is it a unique trait in the wood or technique to these oils? Or both Much like kyen oil is both unique material and also distillation style. JSL.

2) can you kindly share with us what aromatic or, just what is this quality of the oils with senkoh in name that share in common? How do we pick em out? I am on only familiar with one senkoh: uriranka but soonish chugoku too I hope. What can I expect from choguko in relation to surirankah?
"Senkoh" is a word I learned from David Oller (Baieido's US representative) way back in the day. I used to have these phone conversations with him where he'd explain how they identified kinam, the molecular structure vs normal agarwood, the definitions of "jinkoh" and "senkoh" etc. According to Dave, "senkoh" is one level up from regular "jinkoh" which means highly resinous wood. Senkoh is wood of the highest caliber.

In my interpretation of the word, what I'm trying to say when naming an oil "Senkoh" is that it possesses the following characteristics:

1 - A true-to-life representation of the scent of the resin found in the wood the oil was extracted from – if not a direct transmutation of that resin into the oil itself, as in the case of Chugoku and Assamugo Senkoh.

2 - Addictiveness above and beyond normal agarwood oil; a quality that makes you crave more and more of the scent, repeat swipes and incessant inhalations of the spot it was swiped on.

If an oil possesses both characteristics, it qualifies for inclusion in the "Senkoh Series". Senkoh oils cannot smell different to the scent of the raw resin on a kyara heater (high heat not an option), though that is not the only prerequisite. The oil must be positively addictive to me personally and be an oil I find myself swiping obsessively. If that "obsession" element is lacking, it won't get the "Senkoh" moniker.

Art is seeing things through the eyes of the artist, and not as they exist in nature.
 
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Rasoul S

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"Senkoh" is a word I learned from David Oller (Baieido's US representative) way back in the day. I used to have these phone conversations with him where he'd explain how they identified kinam, the molecular structure vs normal agarwood, the definitions of "jinkoh" and "senkoh" etc. According to Dave, "senkoh" is one level up from regular "jinkoh" which means highly resinous wood. Senkoh is wood of the highest caliber.

In my interpretation of the word, what I'm trying to say when naming an oil "Senkoh" is that it possesses the following characteristics:

1 - A true-to-life representation of the scent of the resin found in the wood the oil was extracted from – if not a direct transmutation of that resin into the oil itself, as in the case of Chugoku and Assamugo Senkoh.

2 - Addictiveness above and beyond normal agarwood oil; a quality that makes you crave more and more of the scent, repeat swipes and incessant inhalations of the spot it was swiped on.

If an oil possesses both characteristics, it qualifies for inclusion in the "Senkoh Series". Senkoh oils cannot smell different to the scent of the raw resin on a kyara heater (high heat not an option), though that is not the only prerequisite. The oil must be positively addictive to me personally and be an oil I find myself swiping obsessively. If that "obsession" element is lacking, it won't get the "Senkoh" moniker.

Art is seeing things through the eyes of the artist, and not as they exist in nature.
gotcha. ty.
 

PEARL

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Pardon me @kesiro, just one more thing....

I spent a good amount of time and effort contributing to Ouddict.com, I even preferred the busy-ness of that forum. It’s busier; busier with many good natured people who share. It is also exponentially busier with bitterness, hatred, duplicity and dubious behavior that I witnessed and called out. If anybody wonders the reason for my banning, it was due to challenging that same dubious status quo with common sense, all of the issues I pointed out still remain unanswered but rather brushed over with distraction. The same thing has happened once again and as per usual has devolved into barbaric savagery from a few on Ouddict. I pointed out that a vendor blindsided out of nowhere another vendor, saying that his words were bastardized when in effect he uses similar words in the same context. A matter still unanswered and the discourse following the usual pattern of being an attack on Ensar. The other forum is not bad just a few spoiled apples that spoil the bunch, I’ll directly address those.

Jawed of Al Shareef Oudh, I love useful, true and technical discourse but much about distillation and oud in general is obviously not fact as each man sorts his chip accordingly to his wishes; we have to respect different ways in which the other does so. The primary purpose of much of your so called discourse is aimed directly at “correcting” other vendors, anybody with intellect knows exactly why you do so, you fail to stand on your own. You find every way to badmouth other vendors in the name of objectivity and there only being one way, your way. You seek to separate yourself from the other online vendors while at the same time mimicking their style and delivery. You have very little to offer except innuendo and subliminally bashing other vendors in the guise of your so called technical discourse. From Oud vs Oudh, where you claimed your superiority over vendors that use Oud, based on Arabian heritage about the use of your Indian transliteration Oudh, and likened yourself to prominent historical Arabic figures and them to Tom Ford. To your use of the results of one research paper to show Chinese oils don’t have barny notes when you saw that people were discussing another vendors Chinese oils that do have barny notes, very easy to see the direction of flight you prepared for that arrow. To your talk of the usage of the term oleoresin where you basically called another vendor an ignorant bastard, where I showed you that you indeed use similar terms in the same context, etc, ad nauseum. In every instance you were joyously and emphatically wrong. I understand tradition and you follow a such a strict one that will only allow you to keep producing the same resin-less oud oil products; that is until your cohorts applaud you for finding a way to do so. There is arrogance and pomposity in your heart. You attack using religious scripture and Hadith all the while there were times you and myself were engaged in heated debate and understanding our Ummah I greeted you with salaams despite our entanglement, and your ultra ego would not allow you to return them. You act with a sense of deserving entitlement for authority as if you earned it by actually doing something rather than standing in the shadows of your forefathers; you lack humility. Step outside of the shadow and be your own man. One of your favorite mantras is, “Let the customer decide”. Yet, when your Ceen was compared to Fragrant Harbor you didn’t merely say you disagreed with the customers assessment which would have been fine. Instead you laid out detailed discourse of the precise method that the customer MUST use in order to make his decision, then at the end had the condescending audacity to say that you yourself don’t even use that method. Did you let the customer decide or did you decide for him? I applauded Imperial Oud for truly letting the customer decide whereas you acted as if threatened and attempted to dictate terms. The sad thing is I could go on and on about your self-righteous, duplicitous, seemingly jealous hearted behavior and you and your merry men would fail to see the forest for the trees.

To the guy with the beard, the one who I detected his Algerian descent by his usage of Arabic, he who in a spirit of deserving request free bottles of oud, the new and up and coming oud distiller/vendor, you F4R1d0uX. You started alright before following and becoming infected by a bacteria worse than MRSA, VRSA and VRE combined. Can you please tell me how it all goes down, how does it happen? How do you in the course of doing your business whether by phone or visiting distillers in far off lands, miraculously and magically begin to engage in conversation about Ensar that results in mockery and the sharing of saved screenshots about him from only Allah knows when and where? Do you bring him up, do they bring him up, what? Are you guys standing around the pot then begin to gaze into the twinkle of each others eyes and say in unison, ENSAR! I mean, that is how you got the screenshots isn’t it? Focusing on Ensar instead of handling you business. You guys like to project yourselves onto others and think since you’re focusing and revolving around Ensar and what he does that everybody else does the same thing. Ensar, like lemonade, is a popular drink and he still is. Even if you try to talk your way out of your actions, they’ll only end up focusing back on Ensar. Gee whiz man, do you, focus on what you’ll bring to market, make yourself your only competition.

*****Mandeel AlMandeel, the man I call my play cousin, my words are sincere and from the heart as that’s the way I speak. I like and respect you Mandeel. When I look at your picture and listen to your words even when we have passionately disagreed, I know you too are speaking solely from your heart, not a gang mentality. Your thoughts, experience, beef, whatever, are yours not because of group think, that’s truly what I feel and I highly respect a man that stands on his own. There was a time you absolutely rubbished OM5 in relation to OM4 in discussion with me. Later you came to say that OM5 was one of your favorite oils, I may have the oils backwards but you get the message. That took courage considering, but no matter what, you’re friend with some of the people whose feelings just happen to align with some of yours. You Mandeel are your own man, I feel when you do whatever it is you do, you did it because YOU wanted to, without regard for what anybody thinks, I can get along with that; respect and honor play cousin. You are not among them.

peter4ptv, yours will be short, you’re a foolish, following imbecile who doesn’t know any better, simple.

Ouddict, you run a forum that as I said, I preferred. Busy in good but unfortunately exponentially busier in bad. The troops attitude is often a reflection of those at the helm. You’ve turned plenty of people off. You run what you incessantly report to be an open forum. Yet, you electronically discourage people and harass members when they don’t follow you and begin to challenge your agenda or iniquity. You operate in back channels where you approach members and warn them not to say certain things or risk getting banned; you’ve done it to me and it can be witnessed on your board of others who you’ve done it to, one of which is respected Ammar; who departed for a while due to your dubious shenanigans. You operate an open forum where your henchmen have approached and warned @Nikhil S simply for liking a post. Be steadfast @Nikhil S you are not alone, there is a band of members that have felt the same discord and wrath, we are with you. Is it really open? Or is it only open to your self serving agenda? You operate a forum that when issues come up and dubious behavior is shown to you, you suddenly have to catch a flight and promise to deal with issues that you never do. You operate a forum where you come as a wolf in sheeps clothing, you play the helpless innocent victim and accuse others of being back stabbers, yet you stockpile daggers and other weapons in the form of screenshots and evidence to be used as ammunition intended to hurt others in your bloodletting and thirst for power and control. At present you are building a weapon of mass destruction that’s going to take you two weeks to assemble!!!! Are those the actions of an innocent man? Or are they the actions of a felonious, war mongering charlatan. You operate a forum where you feign to cower at someone calling you a thief. If a man has a debt that’s owed to him by another and gets the run around by that other as if he’ll never get what’s owed, what is that man to think? The debt becomes in effect stolen property until it is returned to it’s rightful owner and the one who owes becomes in effect a thief. Don’t you understand that? All of you answers to anything is the same dreck we've had to endure from the inception of Ouddict.

There is so much more that I’ve witnessed as a well regarded member and now; I’m am not a vendor and don't want to be, nor do I give any partiality to any particular vendor despite being partial to particular vendors product. That’s a concept and action the feeble minded can’t separate.

But what will they do with it? There will likely be rebuttal. Will they mock my PEARL of wisdom, say it’s too long, fake not being able to understand when they know exactly what I’m talking about? Or will they actually address the fullness of the content without reducing and answering it in soundbites that continue to forward their agenda.
 
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kesiro

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@PEARL I think you summarized what many were thinking with truth and logic. There is obviously a point where reasonable people can’t stand idly by and I see you needed to get some things off your chest. Cheers.
 
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