Oud Biz: Real Talk

5MeO

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#23
Here is another batch of wood sold as "wild Indian" - this is the "Qandahaar" wood sold by ASO, from which they also sell a "wild oud" oil by the same name. Any opinions on whether or not this wood is actually wild? This wood is very similar to the "Hudhayl" wood I posted earlier - ultra-thin layer of resin/seah surrounding a very soft interior of kyen... Very nice aroma, smells quite good on low heat, though does not have that mind-melting quality that some of my finer woods have - a rather simple and pleasant smell..



 
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#24
Many many congrats on your trip! Those pieces look stunning and mind blowing!
Jzkk akhi. Been here since march and had to reject 99+% of what has been presented to me. It's been extremely hard work. Especially with these skeeters the size of my fists.

IA we will be able to offer some extremely high grade oils along with some wood in the near future. We will also have some traditional style oils.
 

Nikhil S

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#29
93B3522B-605C-4FCC-851F-1E5948C063EC.jpeg “Wild” Indian Wood fragrant at room temperature. I will show some more later which make your eyes pop. There is a world that you see, there is a world that you don’t. Don’t worry about a controversy here. Even something like Oud Azraki Rs1000/10g (15$) from Attar Mohd Ayub Co, Colaba Street smells nice and is perfect for fumigation. Doesn’t make it “Oud gone Wild”. If someone tries to guide you in the right way, LISTEN, my friends. Don’t judge.
 

Nikhil S

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#30
Reminds me of the time when Russian adam's wild wood was commented as farmed.
Come to India Oud Sidekick I will show you 50 year old stock of shit Batman won’t even dare to put in your grinder. What do you fathers of Artisanal Oud know about stocks. Who will show you such stock ? For distilling oil....lol. It’s all a fantasy world. The cat had to come out of the bag someday or the other. And this is a general comment for ALL not Brother Taha. He is just doing what others maybe doing. I don’t blame him nor I have something to prove to Brother Ensar. These are facts not stories from Oudgasms of the Oud Hunters.
 

kooolaid79

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#31
Come to India Oud Sidekick I will show you 50 year old stock of shit Batman won’t even dare to put in your grinder. What do you fathers of Artisanal Oud know about stocks. Who will show you such stock ? For distilling oil....lol. It’s all a fantasy world. The cat had to come out of the bag someday or the other. And this is a general comment for ALL not Brother Taha. He is just doing what others maybe doing. I don’t blame him nor I have something to prove to Brother Ensar. These are facts not stories from Oudgasms of the Oud Hunters.
Care to explain this a little bit Doc?
 

Nikhil S

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#32
Care to explain this a little bit Doc?
Oud is a goldmine. Period. Oil is only a fantasy thing. We are only left to believe distiller's word. Wood is the truth. THAT is the real Oud market. Why will anyone in their right minds distill oils from ultra precious materials ? There is a million Taif roses in the market. Does anyone know the annual production of Taif Rose ? Only the lucky few who have the last laugh. So gentlemen there is a lot to than meets the eye. We all know it is only our lust of oud that puts us always on the receiving end. When half of the oils themselves were bought from local regional vendors without overseeing. Same materials different names. Different prices. Lol. In 2 3 years some other guys became master distillers. Some even tried to perfect Mysore Sandal LOL. I mean come on guys. There are a million loopholes everywhere.
 

5MeO

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#33
Beautiful piece of Indian wood Nikhil! So, it sounds like you're implying that the Indian woods I posted above are indeed farmed - and that ASO and Agarwood Assam probably know they are?

I have bought several batches from Ensar, and they are mostly sinking grade and very impressive looking/smelling - it is plain that they are high grade wild wood... I have never though seen Indian wood (wild or otherwise) for sale from Ensar - perhaps there is a reason? Very likely that reason is not that Ensar doesn't have the connections to get that wood I posted pictures of above...
 

Nikhil S

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#34
Beautiful piece of Indian wood Nikhil! So, it sounds like you're implying that the Indian woods I posted above are indeed farmed - and that ASO and Agarwood Assam probably know they are?

I have bought several batches from Ensar, and they are mostly sinking grade and very impressive looking/smelling - it is plain that they are high grade wild wood... I have never though seen Indian wood (wild or otherwise) for sale from Ensar - perhaps there is a reason? Very likely that reason is not that Ensar doesn't have the connections to get that wood I posted pictures of above...
My good friend I am only saying that good wood is rare. The Oud Farmers are extremely shrewd. We oversee all these facts. I have some sinking Filipino Wood from a private seller which is so bloody convincing as sinking through and through resin. Even Ensar might get confused ! I have some Indian wild chips that bubble for nearly 15 mins giving the perfect smell. And some bubble so immensely with shit smell. Why Ensar doesn’t sell Hindi ? Maybe he sells better woods from regions like Vietnam etc at feasible pricing. Because many vendors in gulf complain about Indian wood pricing. Ensar saw a better opportunity in the virgin forests of SE Asia rather than wasting time in an already exploited market ? Apart from that the North East is very disturbed politically. REALLY DISTURBED. But at the same time his Old Time Wild Hindi Ouds are considered liquid, isn’t it ? Most likely his awesome wood stack has already gone to big parties those who shout com-bodi com-bodi or the monkoh masters of China/Japan. There are chips for audience like us and then there are decorative pieces that adorn majestic Mansions. Ensar must have a bigger offline buyer community too. Isn’t it? I am glad that I can still purchase godly pieces here. They are not easy to come across simply because people are happy buying chips with a superficial layer of agar. If you’re happy with McDonalds why go for small delis with food artists. I NOW understand why Ensar keeps fighting with Oud sellers ? Because he maybe deeper into Ouds than any of Us. He has seen it all. He knows what is what and who is who. I am assuming thing here but I am safely assuming so. Last food for thought is, when only a few Oud trees out of 100 trees produce wild Oud that too proper wild oud the chances of distilling kilos of it for a mere 3g of Oil makes any sense to any of you ? When a chinese/japanese/arab tycoon will easily pay Millions for it. Or maybe it’s the pure hearts in the Oud world who Don’t care about their wallets but the lust of the customers. And every new day a new vendor arrives to the scene with His aging Borneo/Vietnam. I am not suggesting anything but all these stories make me wonder why Oud is not extinct already when Mysore Sandal is. Yet I see Sandalwood Oils being sold all over the planet. In Kannauj you can litres of it. The answer is the customers’ experience. If they don’t know Mysore Sandal they safely assume the next best Bangladesh/Indonesian East Sandalwood to be real Mysore. And the market keeps on refulling their Mysore Flacons. Lol. That’s what happening everywhere in fragrance industry. There’s a world we know and there is a world which we don’t know. My two worlds have collided. Shatters!
 

m.arif

Active Member
#35
Having a clearance sale!

WOOD

It may be possible that a small portion of the wood may not be sinking grade as I have never tested them.

Feel Oud: Sinking grade wild Laos: 20gr, $13/gr, $260


Feel Oud: Sinking grade wild Sri Lankan: 17.65gr, $6/gr, $105


Feel Oud: Sinking grade wild South Thailand: 16.35gr, $8/gr, $130


Ensar: Aceh 2001: 20.22, $9/gr, $180


WOOD & OIL

Alshareef: Hudhayl oil (0.9gr in v-vial, $200) and wood used in the oil distillation (10.4gr, $16, $160)





Feel Oud: Royal Bengal (brand new 2.5gr, $420) and heartwood wood used in the oil distillation (6.12gr, $4/gr, $24)



OIL (brand new)

Agar Aura: Kachin Ko-Shwe, 2.5gr $550
Agar Aura: Betonamu Jinko, 0.9gr (v-vial), $580
Agar Aura: Sasora Jinko, 0.76gr (v-vial), $120
Agar Aura: Rakoku Jinko, 0.66gr (v-vial), $85
Agar Aura: Manaka Jinko, 0.8gr (v-vial), $220
Agar Aura: Sumatora Jinko, 0.72gr (v-vial), $95

Imperial Oud: Aarai Ko Shway, 3gr, $270


Feel Oud: Si Lani, 2.5gr $265
Feel Oud: Sa-Tu, 2.5gr, $560

Shipping is $15 by registered mail worldwide. Payment by PayPal only and please add 4% to the final total.

The glass containers for the wood are not provided with the sales.

PM me if interested. [emoji4]
Bat shits doing sidekicks etc aside (lol) , Just curious @Nikhil S , would you say the ASO wood here is farmed as well? Perhaps you can comment on the other woods in the post too? Sorry to bother your sale thread @Oud Learner .if it is not to your liking, please let me know and I'll get rid of it.
 

Nikhil S

Well-Known Member
#36
Bat shits doing sidekicks etc aside (lol) , Just curious @Nikhil S , would you say the ASO wood here is farmed as well? Perhaps you can comment on the other woods in the post too? Sorry to bother your sale thread @Oud Learner .if it is not to your liking, please let me know and I'll get rid of it.
Bro Why can’t it be wild ? It could be a superficially resinated wild ? Who knows ? Does Brother Jawed know ? There’s a reason why woods from the same region are priced differently. Why do we buy heavy sinking Chunks ? If you’re simply looking to get some smelling wood why not the superbly priced Incense Grade Vietnam from Tony Uncle. Why is it priced so low ? Why is Aroha Kyaku priced low even though it smells so deep and resinous ? Is it magic or it is tragic! Ensar mentions some astonishing facts about similar looking wild vs plantation wood. I just got 50g of fragrant Indian wild from Zak yesterday. We met and also went around Old Delhi looking for Unique fragrant Attars done the classical way. Those chips and the ones claimed to be from ASO would they compare. No chance. Then there’s Saad, Chura and Mori. Have you ever placed a mori Manipuri chip on the heater ? They look very different. These pointy ones are all over Indian market. No big deal really. Even Zak has plenty. Some resinated to the core. And yet he doesn’t sell them for a fortune.
 

Nikhil S

Well-Known Member
#38
Come visit India when you can bro. I will take you to awesome places with 30 40 yr old Metal trunks full of old world goodness. I was quite surprised to see all kinds of wood with a few vendors.
 
#39
My good friend I am only saying that good wood is rare. The Oud Farmers are extremely shrewd. We oversee all these facts. I have some sinking Filipino Wood from a private seller which is so bloody convincing as sinking through and through resin. Even Ensar might get confused ! I have some Indian wild chips that bubble for nearly 15 mins giving the perfect smell. And some bubble so immensely with shit smell. Why Ensar doesn’t sell Hindi ? Maybe he sells better woods from regions like Vietnam etc at feasible pricing. Because many vendors in gulf complain about Indian wood pricing. Ensar saw a better opportunity in the virgin forests of SE Asia rather than wasting time in an already exploited market ? Apart from that the North East is very disturbed politically. REALLY DISTURBED. But at the same time his Old Time Wild Hindi Ouds are considered liquid, isn’t it ? Most likely his awesome wood stack has already gone to big parties those who shout com-bodi com-bodi or the monkoh masters of China/Japan. There are chips for audience like us and then there are decorative pieces that adorn majestic Mansions. Ensar must have a bigger offline buyer community too. Isn’t it? I am glad that I can still purchase godly pieces here. They are not easy to come across simply because people are happy buying chips with a superficial layer of agar. If you’re happy with McDonalds why go for small delis with food artists. I NOW understand why Ensar keeps fighting with Oud sellers ? Because he maybe deeper into Ouds than any of Us. He has seen it all. He knows what is what and who is who. I am assuming thing here but I am safely assuming so. Last food for thought is, when only a few Oud trees out of 100 trees produce wild Oud that too proper wild oud the chances of distilling kilos of it for a mere 3g of Oil makes any sense to any of you ? When a chinese/japanese/arab tycoon will easily pay Millions for it. Or maybe it’s the pure hearts in the Oud world who Don’t care about their wallets but the lust of the customers. And every new day a new vendor arrives to the scene with His aging Borneo/Vietnam. I am not suggesting anything but all these stories make me wonder why Oud is not extinct already when Mysore Sandal is. Yet I see Sandalwood Oils being sold all over the planet. In Kannauj you can litres of it. The answer is the customers’ experience. If they don’t know Mysore Sandal they safely assume the next best Bangladesh/Indonesian East Sandalwood to be real Mysore. And the market keeps on refulling their Mysore Flacons. Lol. That’s what happening everywhere in fragrance industry. There’s a world we know and there is a world which we don’t know. My two worlds have collided. Shatters!
You pay for the story that comes with the oil like for a rare book.
You have 2 oils not identical but with similar profiles made from exact same wood grade and aged the same time.
Give them as a test to an oud-head and tell him one is from private distiller and the other one is coming from my grand father’s treasure chest who die many years ago.
The oil with the story is 2,500$ and the private distiler oil is 350$ per bottle.
Now you are a doctor tell me which one will have the “oh, wow from another palnet oil” and wich will be oh it is ok oil very good for the price.
Good book to read:
Zigmund Freud’s Psychopathology of Everyday Life
 

Nikhil S

Well-Known Member
#40
You pay for the story that comes with the oil like for a rare book.
You have 2 oils not identical but with similar profiles made from exact same wood grade and aged the same time.
Give them as a test to an oud-head and tell him one is from private distiller and the other one is coming from my grand father’s treasure chest who die many years ago.
The oil with the story is 2,500$ and the private distiler oil is 350$ per bottle.
Now you are a doctor tell me which one will have the “oh, wow from another palnet oil” and wich will be oh it is ok oil very good for the price.
Good book to read:
Zigmund Freud’s Psychopathology of Everyday Life
Sorry bro but I have never bought a 2500$ Oil. The max I have gone is 750 for some Ensar oils like Suriranka Senkoh and China Sayang. Any 350 substitutes for these bhai ? But which private vendors are we talking about. Anyone specific supported by the two forums ? I have never seen any promotion for private distillers. How do I contact them bro. Please let me if you know any. Thank you very much.