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5MeO

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Yea Sumatora 1996 is a challenging wood for sure.. And people simply have different preferences.. There's some people who, no matter what, will just not like barnyard style ouds for instance, despite being great connoisseurs of other ouds..

I've noticed that some agarwood types lend themselves well to long sessions on the heater - generally the sweeter fruitier woods like Thai, Cambodian, some Malaysian, some Vietnamese - these I can have on the heater at 150C for 2-3 hours and they smell great for a long time.. Kyara is like this - at low temp on the heater a little sliver of kyara will send off pleasant vapors for several hours..

But other types of woods - generally the Indonesian, Borneo, Walla Patta, Philippines type woods have these amazing, soul-stirring openings, the first 15 minutes or so, but then if left on the heater can tend toward harsh, acrid, or overly dark bitter type notes.. Sometimes I really enjoy the progression - they take on a nutty, dark espresso with bitter dark fruits type aromas, and other times it just starts smelling harsh and nasty and I'll abort the heating session and transfer the offending wood to a waste receptacle.. Perhaps there is a heating style that works better with these sort of woods? I know that Taha of Agar Aura has a lot of opinions about the proper heating of woods - the guy seems to think pretty scientifically about his agarwood heating, though I can't recall anything about the details of what he posted about it..

Speaking of which, enjoyed some of the sinking Filipino wood I got from Taha this morning - wow, the opening is just incredible - has that effect that the finest woods do where, when the vapors hit the nose, they make you stop whatever you were doing or thinking about and get transported into blissful and spiritual olfactory experience.. It would appear that there is some really good wood from the Philippines on the market these days - I received a small qty of sinking chips from a friend on here back in 2018 and they seem to be as good as the material I bought from Taha, and way cheaper.. That Philippines wood has a really unique profile, it has this exotic herbal quality that I cannot describe in any more detail (maybe tarragon or something?), and the vapors are very dense/thick in how they smell, almost like you could cough on them - the sheer olfactory intensity of this type of wood is hard to match..
 

5MeO

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This morning - Ensar's "Olde Tonga" sandalwood- I bought the one that was like 140g - it's about 4" long and about 2" in diameter - a little mini log of sandalwood. VERY happy with the scent profile - I wasn't sure how much of the appeal of these Tongan logs would be their size and decorative qualities vs the actual aroma.. I have been wary of buying sandalwood that isn't Mysore India sandalwood as, I started out with high quality Mysore and then later learned that there are many inferior types of sandalwood from around the world.. There are also many fantastic varieties - the "black tumor sandalwood" Santalum Album from Borneo that Rising Phoenix offers is superb, incredibly rich.. But mostly, I'm cautious about the material that isn't Mysore..

Anyhow, this Tongan reminds me, on the opening, of a nice rich Mysore sandalwood though less on the creamy side and with more of an umami nutty bite to it. As it progresses it becomes more of a foresty woody sort of thing, and I think I smell that floral citrus twist Ensar describes (bear in mind I am NOT good at describing scent notes in either agarwood or sandalwood - your experience may vary).. Anyhow, high quality material, and a joy to have such a fat cylindrical piece of it to shave off of..
 
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SydnorIII

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Grabbed some Hainan and Nha Trang sticks along with some Brunei red soil powder from JK...anyone had experience with any of these?


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I know that Taha of Agar Aura has a lot of opinions about the proper heating of woods - the guy seems to think pretty scientifically about his agarwood heating, though I can't recall anything about the details of what he posted about it..
He baptised it 'pump and cruise' and you can read about it in a section of this blog:
http://blog.agaraura.com/gen3-a-comprehensive-guide/
Basically heating in short bursts to liquify the resin and release oil, then reducing heat to slowly vaporize released oil. At least that is the theory.

Hainan incense stick by Wushuang Ge for me
 

Rasoul S

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Yea Sumatora 1996 is a challenging wood for sure.. And people simply have different preferences.. There's some people who, no matter what, will just not like barnyard style ouds for instance, despite being great connoisseurs of other ouds..

I've noticed that some agarwood types lend themselves well to long sessions on the heater - generally the sweeter fruitier woods like Thai, Cambodian, some Malaysian, some Vietnamese - these I can have on the heater at 150C for 2-3 hours and they smell great for a long time.. Kyara is like this - at low temp on the heater a little sliver of kyara will send off pleasant vapors for several hours..

But other types of woods - generally the Indonesian, Borneo, Walla Patta, Philippines type woods have these amazing, soul-stirring openings, the first 15 minutes or so, but then if left on the heater can tend toward harsh, acrid, or overly dark bitter type notes.. Sometimes I really enjoy the progression - they take on a nutty, dark espresso with bitter dark fruits type aromas, and other times it just starts smelling harsh and nasty and I'll abort the heating session and transfer the offending wood to a waste receptacle.. Perhaps there is a heating style that works better with these sort of woods? I know that Taha of Agar Aura has a lot of opinions about the proper heating of woods - the guy seems to think pretty scientifically about his agarwood heating, though I can't recall anything about the details of what he posted about it..

Speaking of which, enjoyed some of the sinking Filipino wood I got from Taha this morning - wow, the opening is just incredible - has that effect that the finest woods do where, when the vapors hit the nose, they make you stop whatever you were doing or thinking about and get transported into blissful and spiritual olfactory experience.. It would appear that there is some really good wood from the Philippines on the market these days - I received a small qty of sinking chips from a friend on here back in 2018 and they seem to be as good as the material I bought from Taha, and way cheaper.. That Philippines wood has a really unique profile, it has this exotic herbal quality that I cannot describe in any more detail (maybe tarragon or something?), and the vapors are very dense/thick in how they smell, almost like you could cough on them - the sheer olfactory intensity of this type of wood is hard to match..
indeed. dif wood behave differently. i find most hindis to do well in later stages than begining.

that filipino wood from taha is something else. that tarragon and marjoram honey with gentle cooling sensation is a treat for the senses.
 

Rasoul S

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He baptised it 'pump and cruise' and you can read about it in a section of this blog:
http://blog.agaraura.com/gen3-a-comprehensive-guide/
Basically heating in short bursts to liquify the resin and release oil, then reducing heat to slowly vaporize released oil. At least that is the theory.

Hainan incense stick by Wushuang Ge for me
the technique works beautifully on thicker chips and chunks. and that WSG incense is soooo gooood. one of the very few incenses i have multiple tubes of.
 

Rasoul S

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Grabbed some Hainan and Nha Trang sticks along with some Brunei red soil powder from JK...anyone had experience with any of these?


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send me some and ill let you know ;)

kidding aside i havent had the pleasure. only red soil wood i have tried was via KZ and the scent was coconut sugar/confected note along with that blast of perfume and kinam like projection.
 

Rasoul S

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This morning - Ensar's "Olde Tonga" sandalwood- I bought the one that was like 140g - it's about 4" long and about 2" in diameter - a little mini log of sandalwood. VERY happy with the scent profile - I wasn't sure how much of the appeal of these Tongan logs would be their size and decorative qualities vs the actual aroma.. I have been wary of buying sandalwood that isn't Mysore India sandalwood as, I started out with high quality Mysore and then later learned that there are many inferior types of sandalwood from around the world.. There are also many fantastic varieties - the "black tumor sandalwood" Santalum Album from Borneo that Rising Phoenix offers is superb, incredibly rich.. But mostly, I'm cautious about the material that isn't Mysore..

Anyhow, this Tongan reminds me, on the opening, of a nice rich Mysore sandalwood though less on the creamy side and with more of an umami nutty bite to it. As it progresses it becomes more of a foresty woody sort of thing, and I think I smell that floral citrus twist Ensar describes (bear in mind I am NOT good at describing scent notes in either agarwood or sandalwood - your experience may vary).. Anyhow, high quality material, and a joy to have such a fat cylindrical piece of it to shave off of..
i find a distinct but sublte white pepper spice in this one WHEN ultra gently heating poweder of it. i also find temps to make a HUGE difference when heating sandalwood. being so oil rich and in my experience having a much lower smoke point than agarwood, the aromas are majorly different when powder and ultra gently heated vs when its medium heat seeing some vaopur trails (open knit) vs higher heat when the smoke trails are thick and fully visible.
 

5MeO

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i find a distinct but sublte white pepper spice in this one WHEN ultra gently heating poweder of it. i also find temps to make a HUGE difference when heating sandalwood. being so oil rich and in my experience having a much lower smoke point than agarwood, the aromas are majorly different when powder and ultra gently heated vs when its medium heat seeing some vaopur trails (open knit) vs higher heat when the smoke trails are thick and fully visible.
Ah ok - do you prefer higher heat or lower heat with sandalwood?
 

Rasoul S

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Sat nights are for trying variations on making agarwood cones and neri-koh with @Simla House

Various packing density, water %, grades of wood and powder size, charcoal and makko % used.

Ceramic grind 30 grams of Ensar’s Nha Trang anthole, dust 5 grams bois iris, 5 grams Vietnam triple super.

For neri koh three variations of just leatherwood honey, one with umeboshi and last with ambergris finest silver.

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Sat nights are for trying variations on making agarwood cones and neri-koh with @Simla House

Various packing density, water %, grades of wood and powder size, charcoal and makko % used.

Ceramic grind 30 grams of Ensar’s Nha Trang anthole, dust 5 grams bois iris, 5 grams Vietnam triple super.

For neri koh three variations of just leatherwood honey, one with umeboshi and last with ambergris finest silver.

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I know where you were sitting...

How much of that dust went straight onto the burner? ;)
 

Rasoul S

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It may look like very little (is actually just over 6 grams together), but took me 1:40 minutes or solid 80 min to grind this much. From chunks and chips to this fine powder took 4x re grinds. My arms are jacked!

My plan is to use half of this tawi batch that is quite high in rotundone compounds (white pepper/horse barnyard) by mixing it with two different Hindi wood I have while the other half to be used with some sweet honey herbal cummingiana sulawesi and Borneo wood that is similar in profile.

As for the bois iris/ceram mix, will definitely do some straight up. The rest I am not sure yet. Bois iris is soooo dense and hard is really very difficult to grind. Will probably have to get a file to dust them.
 

SydnorIII

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It may look like very little (is actually just over 6 grams together), but took me 1:40 minutes or solid 80 min to grind this much. From chunks and chips to this fine powder took 4x re grinds. My arms are jacked!

My plan is to use half of this tawi batch that is quite high in rotundone compounds (white pepper/horse barnyard) by mixing it with two different Hindi wood I have while the other half to be used with some sweet honey herbal cummingiana sulawesi and Borneo wood that is similar in profile.

As for the bois iris/ceram mix, will definitely do some straight up. The rest I am not sure yet. Bois iris is soooo dense and hard is really very difficult to grind. Will probably have to get a file to dust them.
So what are your plans for all these goodies?


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