Ensar Oud: Thai Encens No 2

Ensar Oud

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The opening note is a powdery wood accord that contains a strong dose of raw tupelo honey, shaded by the green of Granny Smith apples laced with Japanese incense smoke.

A voluptuous orange blossom absolute in a mad tango dance with fruity osmanthus soon appears. (To smell the open pyrex jar is to go mad with rapture as in a summer night, strolling in a garden of honeysuckle.)

Notes of green Japanese sencha follow suit, atop the tupelo honey powdered base, ever caressed by the sandalous, warm woods' accord. Green apples sing along tirelessly throughout the entire dry-down.

If someone gave me a bottle saying, 'This is honey absolute' I would believe them.

If the first batch is crystal clear sencha laced with a kyara green, this is silver needle with a strong dose of raw honey, the pollen and all manner of bee pheromones dancing in a cloud of Hakusui.
 
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If someone gave me a bottle saying, 'This is honey absolute' I would believe them.

If the first batch is crystal clear sencha laced with a kyara green, this is silver needle with a strong dose of raw honey, the pollen and all manner of bee pheromones dancing in a cloud of Hakusui.
I can almost taste that description lol. SOS and Yan this sounds like the pick of the litter right here!

@Ensar, does the age of the tree matter in terms of the sweetness of an oil? And what would be the difference between an Organic oil from a tree 5 years or less that was aged for about 5 years after distillation and that from an older tree, say about 10 years or older, but is a fresh or new?
 

Ensar Oud

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Assalamu alaikum Ensar. Is there Thai Encens No 1? Or am I wrong?
Wa alaikum as salaam! Yes, there is/was a Thai Encens No 1. This is now sold out.

Mouth watering description, Ensar! What was the yield of this second distillation?
This yielded just under 3 tolas, although we used 15 kilograms of wood this time... :confused:

Ensar, the second bath of Thai Encens will be on website?
No, I'm afraid the yield was so low it will probably be gone before it hits the website.
 

Ensar Oud

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@Ensar, does the age of the tree matter in terms of the sweetness of an oil? And what would be the difference between an Organic oil from a tree 5 years or less that was aged for about 5 years after distillation and that from an older tree, say about 10 years or older, but is a fresh or new?
Very good questions, AbuAyoob. Theoretically speaking, the age of the tree has nothing to do with the quality of the oil. You can get better oil from a 5 year-old tree than from a 100 year-old tree. It's happened before and it continues to happen – which is why cultivation is bound to succeed.

How is that possible? Because what matters ultimately is the age of the infection, not the age of the tree. If this were sandalwood, where the essential oil is produced naturally within the wood itself, without an external trigger, that would make perfect sense: the older the tree the better. However this being agarwood, where the essential oil is the result of a wound that occurs in the trunk of the tree as a result of which the tree then emits the aromatic resin, the age of the tree is absolutely no indicator as to what quality Oud oil you're likely to get when you harvest a wild tree.

Someone offered me a 100 year-old tree in Thailand, and I declined to purchase it. They said, 'It's your gamble. If there is no resin inside, you lose!' So I opted to purchase a 60 year-old organically cultivated tree which I knew had resin inside.

In cultivated trees, we know there is resin inside the trunk because the trunk is methodically wounded by the farmers. Some farmers even inject Oud hydrosol admixed with the wooden dregs left over after distillation inside the wounds so they can trigger the infection. Most farmers inject Biotech, a synthetic drug manufactured in Indonesia specifically to induce infection in Aquilaria trees.

Do you now see how randomly harvesting wild trees, which may or may not contain agarwood, is a proper crime given the guaranteed results of cultivation?

The age of the tree has nothing to do with the sweetness of the oil, rather this goes back to the species of tree and the scent characteristics it carries. I don't think a Maroke oil could ever smell 'sweet' in the same way a Cambodi smells sweet, simply because it comes from a different type of agarwood. There are several techniques, when distilling the Oud, which have a lot to do with the way the oil ends us smelling. A great example of this is the stark contrast between Oud Yusha and Encens d'Angkor. The Angkor is smoky and dark, while Yusha is very sweet and resinous. Both portray the typical aquilaria crassna characteristics, however the way they're treated prior to distillation, and then the way they are distilled plays a great part in the characteristics of each oil, sweetness included.

I have never seen an organic tree that is 5 years or less. So far I've only visited Cambodia and Thailand where they generally harvest trees that are at least 15 years. I hear they harvest the trees at 5 years in Laos but am very skeptical about that, and have resolved to go see this for myself; and if it is the case, whether we can't do anything to change it.
 
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Risky business indeed when dealing in wild trees. Last thing we need is a frustrated buyer with loads of cash to spend who keeps striking out with unresinated trees. I also think that the guarantee one gets from a cultivated is good to know.
 
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Very interesting information, Ensar. So Thai Encens is from a 60-year old tree, whereas Oud Yusha/Encens d'Angkor are from the 20-year old tree?

I have to admit that I am still a bit confused about your statement that theoretically the oil from a 5-year old tree could be superior to an older tree (given that the significant factor is the age of the infection and not the tree). If the age of the tree is 5 years, then how could the inoculation be mature enough? In your description for Assam Organic, for example, you describe the premature cultivation of trees that are only 5-10 years old, speaking of the necessity for the tree to be at least 20-30 years of age for proper harvesting.

Could you explain further about age?
 
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That leads me to a second question regarding infections, whether there are different types or all are from the same disease carrying agent, because there has to be something that causes one infection to be more severe than the next, no? Or does it depend on the severity of the attack? Because you mentioned that some indonesian inoculation techniques involves the use of infected left overs. Rambling, but want to know.
 

Ensar Oud

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So Thai Encens is from a 60-year old tree, whereas Oud Yusha/Encens d'Angkor are from the 20-year old tree?
No. Thai Encens is from the most resinated incense grade agarwood obtainable from organic agarwood at the present moment, given current cultivation practices. I would like to stress that it is from trees that were infected the longest, which is the reason for the greater degree of resination. Whether the trees were 15 years-old or 20 or 25 I don't know. And guess what: It doesn't matter. What matters is that they were allowed to grow enough so that the infection could continue to induce resin formation inside the trunk. And from the degree of resination witnessed in that agarwood, I would estimate that the trees were infected for at least 5 years.

We are in the process of distilling the 20 and 60 year-old trees. These oils will need some aging before they are released. Both Oud Yusha and Encens d'Angkor are from 2010, from trees that were infected for at least 3 to 4 years. I don't know how old the trees themselves were at the time of harvest, nor does it matter. What's important is that the infection was present for a long enough time for the resin to occur to an acceptable degree given current industry standards. Our aim is to raise those standards, and this is what we are busy doing at the moment.

I have to admit that I am still a bit confused about your statement that theoretically the oil from a 5-year old tree could be superior to an older tree (given that the significant factor is the age of the infection and not the tree). If the age of the tree is 5 years, then how could the inoculation be mature enough? In your description for Assam Organic, for example, you describe the premature cultivation of trees that are only 5-10 years old, speaking of the necessity for the tree to be at least 20-30 years of age for proper harvesting.
That's why I said 'theoretically', as in provided the 100 year-old wild tree remains uninfected, in which case you wouldn't get inferior oil, you would't get oil. Whereas the 5 year-old tree will yield some sort of oil (albeit inferior), provided the infection has been induced.

The case with Assam is different. In Assam the inoculation is 100% natural. As in, our farmers don't even drill holes into the trunks. They don't inoculate the trees in any way, either. It all happens naturally, by way of insects that bore into the trunk of the tree.

I'm sure there are Assam plantations where the trees are harvested at under 20 years, or where they are inoculated manually by the farmers. However the farmers we work with do not employ these methods.

Needless to say, the longer the trees are allowed to thrive, the greater the degree of infection and hence resination, resulting in superior quality agarwood oil.
 

Ensar Oud

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That leads me to a second question regarding infections, whether there are different types or all are from the same disease carrying agent, because there has to be something that causes one infection to be more severe than the next, no? Or does it depend on the severity of the attack? Because you mentioned that some indonesian inoculation techniques involves the use of infected left overs. Rambling, but want to know.
The thing that matters most is how widespread the infection is. The key to this are insects. In India, the disease carrying agents are airborne, so there is no need for the farmers to manually interfere with the infection process. In Thailand it's different. The farmers must drill holes into the trunks. Some farmers inject the trunk via these holes with Biotech, a catalytic agent that triggers the infection. Others insert honey inside the holes to attract ants. The ants will seek out the honey and gather inside the holes, spreading the infection all over. When we harvested the 20 year-old tree, I took a picture with my arm around the tree. In a matter of seconds I was covered with ants. Here's a picture of what the infection site looks like.
 

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Thank you for the answers, Ensar. Do you know the age of the infection in the case of some of your other oils, say Oud Nuh or Oud Mostafa?

Given your recent distillations in Thailand, I was also wondering why we never see "Thai Oud" on the market?
 

Ensar Oud

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Do you know the age of the infection in the case of some of your other oils, say Oud Nuh or Oud Mostafa?
Since wild trees are not inoculated manually by anyone, it is impossible to know the exact age of their infection. One can only estimate, in light of the degree of resination present.

I would say (and this is only guesswork) that the trees used in the distillation of Oud Nuh were infected for at least 5-10 years; while the trees used in the Mostafa distillation were infected for at least 10-20 years.

Given your recent distillations in Thailand, I was also wondering why we never see "Thai Oud" on the market?
Oh there's plenty of Thai oud on the market. Only thing is it's sold as 'Cambodi'. 90% of all Cambodis are Thai. I'd even say Oud Thaqeel is Thai. Finding oud in Cambodia is like looking for a needle in a haystack. Which is why the big Saudi franchises like ASAQ and Haramain don't bother. They get their Cambodis straight from Thailand. – And even when you buy oud in Cambodia, from a Cambodian distiller, he most likely got it in Thailand. It's happened to me!

Thai planters have always made it a point to plant the same exact trees that were found on the Cambodian side of the border, so they could advertise their oils as 'Cambodi'. Since wild wood in Cambodia is extinct, and cultivation efforts are not as organized or successful as in Thailand, most of the Oud with the 'Cambodi' label that gets sold today is in fact Thai oud. And that includes all the large Gulf oud franchises. They never even go to Cambodia or try to find genuine Cambodian oud, they merely send their buyers to Thailand.

I'm not saying this is unethical. After all, it has become the industry standard. Thai oil = 'Cambodi'. Which is why you never hear of anything being sold as 'Thai'. Isn't that strange? So much cultivation, such huge monthly production quota, yet you never hear of any "Thai" oils on offer anywhere? Well, it's because these are the 'Cambodis' everyone is selling left, right and center!
 
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what about Aquilaria subintegra which is native to thailand? I have read many reviews on thai oils and the average oud adventurer seems to dislike them. i for one haven't had the chance to smell a native oil from thailand and would love to give it a try especially if they are funky and strong!
 

Ensar Oud

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what about Aquilaria subintegra which is native to thailand? I have read many reviews on thai oils and the average oud adventurer seems to dislike them. i for one haven't had the chance to smell a native oil from thailand and would love to give it a try especially if they are funky and strong!
I think you'll be in for quite a treat when you try Thai oils. They can be super funky and strong, especially the ones distilled from trees native to Thailand as opposed to the Cambodian seedlings planted to replicate the famous Cambodi scent.

I am very interested in aquilaria subintegra as well, and would like to find a subintegra plantation to distill organic oil from. Only thing is my farmers all plant crassna so it might be a bit tricky for the moment. Hopefully soon!
 

Ensar Oud

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Ensar, I could say that the fragrance Thai 2 is similar to Thai 1? Or are they very different?
They are quite different! You can tell they come from the same type of crassna tree, high quality wood with an ethereal green note, but Thai Encens 1 is all vaporous top notes, like proper incense smoke. Encens 2 is more voluptuous heart notes, heavy laden with a raw honey aroma, the green incense subtly complementing the honey accord rather than being at the foreground as in Encens 1.

Thai Encens 1 is Japanese green sencha that is so pristine it just dissolves in water. Encens 2 is the green of Granny Smith apples.

Thai Encens No 2 is a closer cousin to the old Kyara LTD in terms of sheer heaviness and fullness of the scent profile. No 1 is like a rebellious offspring of both oils who just wants to outstrip everyone in the family.
 
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I think you'll be in for quite a treat when you try Thai oils. They can be super funky and strong, especially the ones distilled from trees native to Thailand as opposed to the Cambodian seedlings planted to replicate the famous Cambodi scent.

I am very interested in aquilaria subintegra as well, and would like to find a subintegra plantation to distill organic oil from. Only thing is my farmers all plant crassna so it might be a bit tricky for the moment. Hopefully soon!
In that case I need to start saving, Insha Allaah you find an aquilaria subintegra worthy of distillation! delay it though so that I can save :cool: