Important Message to Everyone

[Adam]

this was my last post on ouddict.com
it was removed in seconds,
I feel it's important to share it here:

this is not directed at any particular individual... rather it is directed
at every single individual...
ouddicts... vendors.. members... visitors... founders... all those who read it...

I tried hard to hold myself from posting this not to multiply the confusion and possible negative consequences however I feel obliged to do so as I feel obliged to warn against evil...

after seeing a number of certain events that took place on this forum (provocative and biased posts, seeing some of the vendors suddenly becoming the members of the staff, knowing the fact that some of the founders not willing to follow the rules that they set up by themselves having clear hidden agenda in the forum that is soon to become crystal clear to everyone) I regecting being a part of it and decided to leave it and never participate in the forum from now on.

It's not about money, competition or relationships rather about honesty, respect, straight forward and clear approach that I try to follow.

I am well aware that this post may be deleted and then I would love to ask to delete every single post that I made here ( ouddict.com )
please accept my sincere apologies all my friends/customers and please feel free to contact me via my email or Wats app.

Thank you.

 

[5MeO]

Well dear sir, I am sorry that you will be leaving us

I hope there isn't treachery afoot as you suggest... Whatever the case though, your presence is a great asset to us on the forum, and I hope you decide to return

 

[kesiro]

Wow! I am totally in the dark about what is going on but I hope that you posted that as an FYI to the going's on at Ouddict rather that here. We all benefit greatly from your presence here and would very much like that to continue. Given my newly bestowed moderator status, I can assure that "treachery" will not slither in here unnoticed and unaddressed.

 

[Omar]

Your not leaving oudville.com are you Adam? Your wealth of knowledge is exceptional and we can all learn from it

 

[Adam]

thank you all for support and understanding.
i am receiving lots of kind words and see that most do appreciate and respect my choice.

@5MeO, well… I am not at all leaving will continue to do what I love and share some of the insides here…

@kesiro, my presence here definitely will continue, God willing. As for what is going on… I guess initial post says more then enough…

@Omar, sure not. Will continue to share the huge love for what I do as well as a very little I known.

 

[kesiro]

Great to hear Adam! By the way, I am sporting Tawau Al-Awwal today and it is fantastic!

 

[Adam]

Thank God…
Happy to hear you like it.
It is such a blessing to be able to do and then share what one love and then see the love is spreading and some benefiting from it…

 

[Joyoud]

Adam, thanks that you're not leaving us and I am wearing Sabah Hijau today (Feel oud) and burning sinking sabah Agarwood .
What a pleasure !! , , thanks Adam.

 

[Adam]

Your pleasure is our even greater pleasure…
=)

 

[5MeO]

Ah... Sabah Hijau! Quite exceptional!

 

[PEARL]

Ramblings & Musings

@Adam, I saw your thread on Ouddict and wondered what happened because it wasn't evident from your post. I even wondered if your account had been hacked, hence the post's quick removal. You have chosen not to elaborate and I can understand your position; I have chosen not to imply, for any implication could be completely erroneous. The admin at Ouddict have responded. But I will say publicly what I've already told you privately. I enjoy you for you, and even more so because you enjoy you. There was an old post on BN where members described what certain vendors meant to them, if you may recall. I recall stating that for me, you are the "Passion of the Oud". There's nobody more passionate about this than you. Stay steadfast in your Iman and Ihsan and know that nothing formed can harm you.

@bhanny and @kesiro congratulations on becoming mods, you have undertaken a very time consuming and difficult task, I commend you both. What and how you moderate will set the overall tone for the board in general. Simple infractions against board rules are easy to moderate, some things are not. It brings me to a few things that Ensar so poignantly stated, of which I've paraphrased below..

In literature, we have literary criticism to help us understand the strengths and weaknesses of any given book. In politics, we have political analysts, journalists, etc. In art, we've got art critics. – Why is it that when it comes to the evaluation of oud oil, one is not allowed to express an opinion if they feel a particular vendor's product is adulterated? Is it really fair to other users that vendors be offered immunity by public forum admins from such consumer speculation?

We as a collective need to decide, is it to the benefit or detriment of the end user for this information to be made known? Do we want experienced 'oud critics' to be available to this community, or do we opt to provide immunity to vendors?

I hope everyone will see where I am coming from. Without an expert being free to review and offer insights into the oils that are being sold in this market, anything goes… The problem is that speaking out, you run the risk of being labelled as 'bashing the competition' or having an agenda, so the set up can never be ideal, unless there is communal consensus to have this sort of thing going on.

What I take away from the above, is that there has to be room for constructive critique, be it positive or negative. Without the assumption that the positive is fanboyism, planted molls, spies, shills, etc.; and without the assumption that the negative is bashing, treachery, ulterior motive and agenda, etc. And that goes for if the criticism comes from member or vendor alike.

@bhanny and @kesiro you guys have a great responsibility.

 

[Adam]

ameeen.
Thank you for your kind words.
Thank you all who contacted and supported me.

 

[kesiro]

@PEARL. Thanks for the input! I think I can speak for brother bhanny, when I say that we share similar standards for the decorum here, and that does not include stifling differing opinions. We can all learn from one another. Have a great day!

 

[bhanny]

Ramblings & Musings

@Adam, I saw your thread on Ouddict and wondered what happened because it wasn't evident from your post. I even wondered if your account had been hacked, hence the post's quick removal. You have chosen not to elaborate and I can understand your position; I have chosen not to imply, for any implication could be completely erroneous. The admin at Ouddict have responded. But I will say publicly what I've already told you privately. I enjoy you for you, and even more so because you enjoy you. There was an old post on BN where members described what certain vendors meant to them, if you may recall. I recall stating that for me, you are the "Passion of the Oud". There's nobody more passionate about this than you. Stay steadfast in your Iman and Ihsan and know that nothing formed can harm you.

@bhanny and @kesiro congratulations on becoming mods, you have undertaken a very time consuming and difficult task, I commend you both. What and how you moderate will set the overall tone for the board in general. Simple infractions against board rules are easy to moderate, some things are not. It brings me to a few things that Ensar so poignantly stated, of which I've paraphrased below..



What I take away from the above, is that there has to be room for constructive critique, be it positive or negative. Without the assumption that the positive is fanboyism, planted molls, spies, shills, etc.; and without the assumption that the negative is bashing, treachery, ulterior motive and agenda, etc. And that goes for if the criticism comes from member or vendor alike.

@bhanny and @kesiro you guys have a great responsibility.

@PEARL. Your Ramblings & Musings are always great reading for me, and spot on. I'm humbled by the request and will do my very best. I have absolutely no desire, zero, nada, to restrict nor censor the flow of thought and information here. What I hope to influence is the tone and accuracy of what is typed and discussed here.

It appears we may be at a significant moment here, the free flow of opinion and information will likely be more important than ever. I actually encourage it.

My role? Hopefully nothing more than as before, an oud freak contributing what little knowledge I have. Hopefully the group conscience will dictate and allows exactly what you, and Ensar, both discussed above. But if needed, much of what I do now, in the real world, as director of our group is conflict resolution. My role is to carefully look at each side of an issue, as objectively as possible, to help come to the best outcome to the group as a whole. If called upon, that is what I shall do.

I also have no objective to feedback, I prefer it constructive in nature (oh my fragile ego), but am open to receive it. Hope that helps!

 

[bhanny]

@PEARL. Thanks for the input! I think I can speak for brother bhanny, when I say that we share similar standards for the decorum here, and that does not include stifling differing opinions. We can all learn from one another. Have a great day!

What he said.

 

[PEARL]

@bhanny the gist of what I was saying comes from the perspective of being on the outside looking inward and from what Adam mentioned at the beginning of this thread about certain members/vendors becoming staff at Ouddict. I was once asked to become moderator on another, totally fragrance unrelated board. What I found was that it was a very difficult assignment based on how other members viewed me in my new role, in addition to being time consuming, oftentimes mentally fatiguing and requiring a lot of dedication. There is the duality of being a member/participant in discussion while at the same time moderating that very same discussion. There are going to be those who may not be happy with your moderation decisions, but objectivity reigns.
From your willingness and eagerness to be a contributor, learner and student; as well as how you handled yourself elsewhere, when we just happened to be on the same side of debate, I found your thought process to be logical, objective and not swayed by your personal emotion.
In short, despite what some members on the outside of moderation decisions looking in may think, it's not an easy position to be in and I do believe that the right candidates were selected for that task here.

 

[Ensar Oud]

after seeing a number of certain events that took place on this forum [Ouddict.com] (provocative and biased posts, seeing some of the vendors suddenly becoming the members of the staff, knowing the fact that some of the founders not willing to follow the rules that they set up by themselves having clear hidden agenda in the forum that is soon to become crystal clear to everyone) I regecting being a part of it and decided to leave it and never participate in the forum from now on.

Wow! I am totally in the dark about what is going on but I hope that you posted that as an FYI to the going's on at Ouddict rather than here.

Well, I'm not sure what Adam has seen of provocative or biased posts, as I simply couldn't bring myself to follow much of the discussion there. I did see a vendor temporarily get 'knighted' to Super Moderator, at which point he and another 'Super Moderator' ganged up on Adam and openly accused him of selling cultivated oils as wild, going so far as to offer completely false and highly misleading visual 'evidence' of Adam's malfeasance..................................

What I do know though, is that the person behind Ouddict has robbed my company – Ensar Oud – of $36,430 worth of merchandise, which he refuses to pay for.

Many of you are familiar with a BN user by the name of 'floraopia' who used to sell old Oriscent legends at $180 for 0.1gr of oil.... Many of you have heard the story.... He has a very large debt that he needs to pay off.... If it weren't for this enormous responsibility, he would never sell a single bottle from his treasured collection.....

I happen to be aware of nearly every sale he's made (and continues to make) as buyers would always check with me before buying, to verify the vendor and make sure his story is legit.... All I can say is, I haven't seen a single dime from those sales, and my oils were delivered to 'floraopia' (now known as 'Ouddict' on his new website) in May 2012.... Going on five years now....

The real beauty of it is, while the debt owed is $36,430, that amount is due on an order of $40,430 that went out twice – so my losses with Mr Ouddict stand at a whopping $76,860....

The original package was confiscated by UK Customs. Not wanting to jeopardize a wholesale relationship and lose a customer, I bore the loss.... I sent a second package out and replaced every single oil for him. That's $80,860 worth of merchandise. I received an initial deposit of $4,000, and the rest was gone with the wind....

Since then, I've heard of every excuse in the book..... From car accidents, to embezzlement by the Saudi Government, to getting sacked from at least a dozen jobs in half a dozen countries.....

The bottom line is, I have very little hope of ever getting my money.....

This same person now addresses the world from his pulpit, voicing some mighty lofty ideals.....

"Democracy is a dirty word for vested interests the world over and our aim is unashamedly to democratize the world of Oud and give Oud lovers an alternative to an elitist Oud philosophy that represents nothing more than an arms race to empty your wallets."

Yet the same person was selling 0.1 gram of oil for $180. That same oil cost him $475/3gr! That's 11.5x the original cost of $15.83/0.1gr – or just over 1000% profit.

 

[kooolaid79]

Wow Sidi Ensar! Your heart is made out of gold to give up another whole order of your cherished oils! I hope this person has some fear of God and return some of your money. I am really sorry for your loss and hope that your business be blessed even more IA!

 

[Joyoud]

So sorry to hear your sad story and your lost money , there is always some bad people out there.
I thought we (the consumers) are the only ones that pay high price for our love (Oud) in our journey specially when we started and had no idea yet about
The real Oud (oils or wood) , me personally I got hit really good and I lost lots of money (really good amount of money) and from all kind of bad individuals and even
from big houses (no names. ...!!) Until I found (Ensar, Taha and Adam) , then for the first time in my life I tested the real deal ( and what a mistake !!!!! , I was about
to give up ...! why I found you guys ? , from that day and I CAN NOT SAVE ANY MONEY , I don't think I like any of you guys !!!)
JUST KIDDING
But apparently our lost is nothing compared to your lost as a Vendors , may Allah bless you you all and reward you big for your lost and don't worry this guy
maybe he's enjoying the money now but Allah after him above the ground and under the ground and in the judgment day inshaa Allah.

By the way Ensar : Can you send me 10 Tolas of Oud Ahmad , 10 Tolas of Purple Kinam , 10 Tolas of China Sayang , 10 Tolas of Hainan 2005 and 500 grams of
Yunnan 1991 Agarwood.
Thats it , and thank you so much (by the way I think I deserve a free shopping as well)............!!!

 

[Oud Learner]

@bhanny the gist of what I was saying comes from the perspective of being on the outside looking inward and from what Adam mentioned at the beginning of this thread about certain members/vendors becoming staff at Ouddict. I was once asked to become moderator on another, totally fragrance unrelated board. What I found was that it was a very difficult assignment based on how other members viewed me in my new role, in addition to being time consuming, oftentimes mentally fatiguing and requiring a lot of dedication. There is the duality of being a member/participant in discussion while at the same time moderating that very same discussion. There are going to be those who may not be happy with your moderation decisions, but objectivity reigns.
From your willingness and eagerness to be a contributor, learner and student; as well as how you handled yourself elsewhere, when we just happened to be on the same side of debate, I found your thought process to be logical, objective and not swayed by your personal emotion.
In short, despite what some members on the outside of moderation decisions looking in may think, it's not an easy position to be in and I do believe that the right candidates were selected for that task here.

Totally agreed.

Should you ever feel the tension in any confrontation is building up faster than expected, do remember to take a step back (a few swipes of favourite oil will help) to calm down before getting back. As I always said, there is nothing that mature gentlemen (or ladies if any) cannot talk things out and resolved peacefully.