Ensar Oud in commercial perfume??

Discussion in 'Oud Perfumes & Mukhallats' started by SydnorIII, Jan 20, 2018.

  1. kesiro

    kesiro Well-Known Member

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    Ensar and Nikhil, I think you are both right. I certainlly agree 100% with your mindset Ensar, and live my life in a similar manner. Avoid petrochemicals as much as humanly possible and eat foods for which the ingredients are ones I can see and identify.
    Having said that, I am certainly a "scientist" by training and career choice. The advancements in my field, for example, have been nothing short of revolutionary, and this is during my career. Unfortunately, what is sold as true science may often really be junk science. The research about food, cholesterol being one example. Much false information has been regurgitated to the public by manipulated studies funded by big business interests. And the typical sheeple mentality swallows it hook line and sinker, even if it may go against even their most basic sense of logic and life experiences. I am definitely not 'that guy'. These are some of uncle kesiro's universal truths to live by:

    1) question everything, especially if it does not sit well in your mind
    2) too much of a good thing is bad, and I mean of ANYTHING
    3) correlation is NOT causation until proven so
    4) most of what we are told, by media/news is at best dubious, but often wrong, and certainly slanted
    5) avoid petrochemicals and processed food like the plaque

    Of course, YMMV.

    :)
     
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  2. Dorje

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    I think the best thing we can do is understand to some degree how limited we are in our understanding of the world. The depth of human ignorance is unfathomable, and our faculties to comprehend information we have is also extremely limited. We are like babies, unable to maintain control of our own (mental) faculties much of the time. However, this is uncomfortable and means we often can't reach definable conclusions about things we'd like to think we understand, like the present topic.

    I don't see the point of forming firm opinions about things we simply don't know. On pretty much any subject, if you educate yourself to the level of "experts" you'll find there is often much disagreement. In medicine, in science, or in my case, super-basic stuff like how sound is best reproduced and how humans perceive sound. I can tell you, it's a huge mess. We don't know much and the art of music reproduction has not advanced significantly in many decades. Some of the most desirable speaker systems and amplification devices today are reproductions of compression drivers, acoustic horns, and vacuum tubes invented in the '30s-'50s, before transistors were invented.

    I do think we can observe and learn to a limited degree, science provides a framework for this, but it's also subject to the same human frailties. We just do the best we can and it may help to understand what we experience is simply a result of what we have experienced and done in the past, cause and effect applies to everything.
     
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    The only thing which is unlimited in life is learning. Learn science from a man of science, learn music from a man of music, learn perfume from a man of perfume, learn Oud from a man of Oud. These are basic concepts of life. A man of art is always a man of science. Science in its most basic definition is the logical study of things. Electricity is energy. Man has gone from thermal energy to nuclear energy. From burning coal to controlled Nuclear Fission. It would too childish to say energy is still energy. Well lets it men of science, shall we ? Its beyond the scope of this forum.
     
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    @Dorje Now you have peaked my interest! Are you in the high end audio field??? There was a point in my life I got heavily into it. Even designed and built my own speakers on multiple occasions. My last being my home theater set, using all Ceratec drivers and Duelund crossover components. Killer stuff !!
     
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    Cool! Yes, I've been working on an audio biz for about 5 years now. I started small and really only expected it to be a side-biz but now it's taking about half my time. I have a speaker I'm about to release, which is probably going to make it full time + for a while. My speaker is a mating of a horn speaker, 3-way direct radiator and single driver... the heart of the speaker is a simple 4.5" dynamic driver, but it's baffle is a shallow acoustic horn instead of a flat baffle. The horn improves the directivity of the driver, linearizes it's frequency response and increases it's efficiency by 6 dB. It covers 400-15,000 Hz and uses only a single capacitor for crossover. The speaker uses a horn-type Fostex T-500A MkII tweeter and Acoustic Elegance 15" woofer to fill out the frequency range. I have also built my own tube amp and preamp, which is intended to pair with the speakers.

    I do have a lot of acoustic and electric measurement gear but in the end it's necessary to listen. We have only partially defined what's important and the most popular and well know research on sound is extremely flawed imo.
     
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    Audiophile, I am too! Only with headphone, that's what my student budget allow me!

    Fun to see that we are purist in many aspect of our life!
     
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    Totally awesome! Would love to check out your design! Those horn designs are really cool. I assume yours is intended to mostly go with a single ended amp?
     
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    Concerning Fort and Manle, I have tried two of the fragrances: Harem Rose and Confessions of Garden Gnome. I can’t get to like Harem Rose more than casually...the Rose note is too subdued behind a syrupy Amber note I have a hard time with. Confessions is a much better composition with an assortment of natural floral and fruit notes with a beautiful violet leaf supporting them; However, it also has that syrupy Amber note that detracts from an otherwise lovely experience. More to come.
     
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    Yes, the midrange horn and tweeter are intended to be driven by a small SET amp, both use a single capacitor for xo. The simple signal path and larger proportion of direct vs reflected sound (due to the horn) allows better resolution of spatial information and fine detail, with the main goal being to present the music in the space it was recorded... it should feel like you are at the recording venue rather than the music is in your listening room. I'll post a pic of the final prototype in another thread when I get it done, to avoid hijacking this one any more! ;)
     
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    Hainss: if you’re listening only through headphones you need to be especially careful about volume. With loudspeakers you get a lot of sound against your whole body and for some reason it’s more satisfying than sound through just the ears. So people play headphones louder (sound pressure on your eardrums) than they do loudspeakers. I’m paying now for years of loud music, not just with hearing loss which isn’t so terrible, but with tinnitus. Tinnitus is a hissing hallucination of sound. Hallucination means you can’t escape it. Ever. It’s directly related to hearing injury. Young man, be kind to your ears.
     
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    Yes, I know it's better to have speakers, but I live in an apartment and I mainly have opportunity to listen music when everyone is sleeping.

    I was a DJ when I was young, so damage to my ears is already here, not too important damage, but yes a little.
    I have to listen music not too loud with my headphone, but I am very impress how good the sound can be in it. I am sure the sound detail and quality can be as good as a sound system of speakers who worth 3 - 4 time the price.
     
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    So I went through the entire house, and the only one I found really likeable was Bojnokopff. It’s the only one that doesn’t have that annoyingly sweet, synthetic, maple syrup Amber accord. I also really dig the Aroha Kyaku in it. However, all of the fragrances contain the same fixative found in many creed fragrances that I am slightly anosmic to, which is the biggest letdown. My wallet is glad lol
     
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    I agree with most fo what you have to say. Natural essential oils can be healing when used properly. Natural essential oils can also easily have killing properties if not used properly.
    Essential oils can caused miscarriage, photoxicity ,liver and kidney damage, seizures, GI irritation, hallucinations(nutmeg) and even death.
    Perfume chemicals really don't have any healing properties so yes I would try to avoid them. Though I doubt that using them in small quantities is going to kill me any more than breathing toxic chemicals in our air and ingesting toxic chemicals in our food. Yes even organic foods.
    Just be careful and educated when using essential oils.
    Further reading:
    http://www.thehippyhomemaker.com/introduction-essential-oil-safety/

    As for Bojnokopff, I am wearing some right now from a sample. I am undecided at the moment. It keeps shifting and different notes stand out at different times. It is intriguing but not sure if I would buy a full bottle. I need to spend more time with it.
     
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    He uses Oud Mostafa i think in his perfume Fatih Sultan Mehmet or Suleyman- cant really remember , but in one of them he uses it.

    Nice perfumes, i got the sample set ))
     
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    I know for a fact that a growing number of Niche and Artisanal Perfumers utilize Ensar Oud in their compositions, and for personal enjoyment. And though we would never disclose they're identity because we highly value our customer's privacy, I'm continuously honored to see many of them publicly recognized for their quality!

    But why look for Ensar Oud in other perfumes out there when there's EO No 1?!?!?

    I've caught wind of a possible even higher quality composition.

    Same recipe... better Oud!!!
     
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    Wllah brother we are dazzled mashaAllah by the ouds Ensar produces- mashaAllah a master of the craft-

    You are right- its not that we dont buy Ensar’s perfumes already we do and a lot :p- but we raise value for our prodcuts when we use his ouds
     
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