Funk and the Nose of the Beholder

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  1. kesiro

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    Purple Kinam. Universal appeal Oud. Nuff said.
     
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    i doubt mister @peter4ptv its a possible to an unknown person to make a same oud oil like a legend of purple kinam
    i think the quality of wood for make purple kinam its not match by an oil at 100 dollars by an unknown person

    i want to try this oil if its a case its same oil i dont understand any thing in the oud market lol
     
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    Well you can try it for yourself before saying not possible!
    For me is identical another person opinion was that both profiles are very close not 100% identical but even better with more complexity and depth but slightly less refined than the KR.

    P.S sorry i made mistake i was talking about Kinam Rouge, not Purple Kinam i have never try Purple Kinam.
    i tough that Kesiro post was about Kinam Rouge, my mistake.
     
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    Does it have the same top note Of Purple Kinam ? Making me wonder , Nearest I came to PK was Sumatra Q tiq from F.O , Purple Kinam Top Note has a Aged Basmati Rice from the 1950 grown organically and splicing open 1 slice of the beautiful grain has same top Note of Purple Kinam, there's Times I hang out at my Local Corner store waiting for the Butcher and I sit in a room full Of Basmati Rice and Beautiful top note Of Purple Kinam hits the nose for a Moment , Store Owner Ask me Why I smile every time when I Sit in that Room , I try explaining and he looks at me baffled. :oops:
     
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    sorry i made mistake i was talking about Kinam Rouge, not Purple Kinam i have never try Purple Kinam.
    i tough that Kesiro post was about Kinam Rouge, my mistake.
     
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    No problem with the misunderstanding about PK vs KR but I still have some questions. I am not an authority about oud but I have been around the block. I find it impossible to believe that anyone can offer "high grade old stock Vietnamese oud for less than $250 for 3gms. No matter what it supposedly smells like. My guess is they cannot. Something does not add up.
     
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    Real high quality ouds have much more going on than a scent profile. A 'similar' smelling low quality and even adulturated oil may have a similar scent profile but the similarities end there. Unless you have a reference point, which is any of Ensar's and Taha's wild stuff, it is hard to know what perspective to judge from.
     
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    Personally I have Tested High Quality Vietnam Ouds and Plantation grown . Nuances are different but the nose can detect same profile . I personally am scared to buy any Wild Vietnam Oils because of Agent orange and other chemical used during the war. But may be that is the reason why they have the most infected wild trees , that's a whole thesis & topic all together ,
    For Plantation grown Vietnam I purchase from Eden Botanicals in California , They have a pure Vietnam Oil that have exact Nuances like Wild oils I tested , they sell 7 grams for 233.00 USD , when I tested the Oil was amazed of the Top Note cause it has pure Wild Nuances and Vietnam profile comes out with Cambodia doing a dance in the middle note ,and dry down pure spicy heaven , The price is right and only thing missing is Bob Barker , If you guys live in Cali just walk in the store and I hope they have a tester , Only bad Thing is Customs fees when mailed , Good reason to Visit California , ;)
     
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    well of course for you may be impossible <<<to believe that anyone can offer "high grade old stock Vietnamese oud for less than $250 for 3gms>>>>
    but how can be sure? from your posts and collection you mostly buy only from a very few well known vendors and believe only their stories.
    you need to explore more so maybe you will see for yourself that it is possible, well there is some risk involve there is a lot of garbage out there but if you are careful you can find real gems here and there with unbelievable prices well unbelievable maybe only for you. i am not talking to go deal directly with distillers i will leave this for the vendors but this etsy find was very surprise for me also and second discovery of extremely high quality product.
     
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    Suffice it to say that ole @peter4ptv believes Masterpiece by Ajmal to be deserving of the name..... Smells toxic to me.
     
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    RobertOne replied to a thread you are watching at Gaharu.

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    peter4ptv

    if you like Purple Kinam, you can try this one it is 100% same for a fraction of the cost:
    https://www.etsy.com/listing/281746832/super-premium-vietnamese-agarwood?ref=shop_home_active_12


    That's quite a claim indeed, Peter.

    Are you the vendor on etsy? If not, how did you come across it?

    As an aside to all other distinguished members of these here forums, the only other oil that I have tried that begins to approach EO PK is FO Piara, but then it only captures roughly 70% of all the notes being found in PK. Piara is an extremely good value oud for what it is, but PK in so many ways stands alone before the forum in it's sheer Imperium (in the ancient roman definition) of what is is.

    For all newcomers to these parts I would strongly urge you all to get even the tiny sample size to appreciate it as is one of a group of very rare Ouds that those who are appreciate of the art grok on so many levels and marvel at it's sheer brilliance but is also admired by all and sundry out there.
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    Hi Robert, no i am not the vendor i am just an oud aficionado, well at least i was one at an earlier time.
    i just found it browsing etsy and it look good for me ask few questions the vendor and decide to try it. than the real surprise was when receive it and smell it it was 100% KR not matter how i test it and sniff it. well everybody is different and my olfactory system is not that great, but another person who likes KR very much and i recommend it to try it say that is: very close not 100% identical but even better with more complexity and depth but slightly less refined than the KR.
     
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    Well what can I say, when you try old batch ASAQ Thaqeel you say also that smells toxic to you. But for most people who know oud way before you even heard of it it is one of the best oils ever. i guess people are different and there is really a reason for this idiom: One man's trash is another man's treasure.
    https://www.kyarazen.com/little-vials-of-joy-the-asaq-thaqeel/
     
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    @peter4ptv

    I don't want to speak for anyone here, but I feel like the following statement is generally true: Most people in this forum choose to exclusively buy from AA, FO and EO because:
    1. We believe the quality of their oils to be far superior
    2. The provenance and authenticity of the oils are spoken for
    3. And most importantly, we genuinely like to foster close relationships with the aforementioned purveyors.
    All of the above, combined, is priceless, at least to me.

    Sincerely,
    Philip
     
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    Please expand on point 2. if you don't mind. I'm trying to understand what you mean by it.

    Also, no need for all this nonsense going on here regarding this vietnamese oil being similar to KR from EO. Anyone can just dish out $118 dollars and get 1.5ml of the oil to try. This whole discussion is moot. Especially @Ensar's post regarding the validity of @peter4ptv's sense of smell where he outrightly bashes him for having an opinion.

    One thing must be changed about our Oud community. We must learn to respect other people's noses and not drown in our own egos. Instead of bashing a person's opinion on an oil, constructive criticism would better suit us all.

    Every single one of you, remember, smell is subjective. You are not the gold bar, neither am I, nor is Ensar, nor Taha, nor Adam, nor any other vendor.

    We all have noses for God's sake, how can you claim this person has a better nose than that person? What is your means of measure?

    Dear God, who's up for a game of monopoly?
     
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    Ensar's Ouds are highly appreciated, no doubt, but they are the ONLY appreciated, or TO BE appreciated is somewhat questionable. Love begets love, and bashing begets bashing.
    Judicious statement, respected Alkhadra! I myself was shocked to read the reply you quoted.
    None! Rest assure. A hell of vendors came, and gone with the wind. Innumerable companies emerged, and turned into nothingness. Of course, it will keep on.

    I strongly wish this forum be open-ended. Otherwise it would become a kind of Persian saying: Mun toora'a mulla'an bigoyam, tou mara ha'aji bigoo: I will call you 'mulla'an-a learned one- and you have to call me 'haji- a pious one. How immensely true are the words by a true sufi: Man is 'tongue'!
    May Allah bless us with the treasure to respect and love all! Irrespective of whose Oud they gonna wear contrary to our fleeting transitory and humanly subjective tastes.
     
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    Hmm, well let me throw my 2 cents in as an unabashed oud lover but also moderator. I can certainly understand Ensar feeling his feathers being ruffled when Peter comes on here and make a claim that an unknown, untested oil is 100% the same as a wild incense grade Vietnamese wood distillation. I find claims like that problematic and certainly questionable, both in terms of content and motivation. That is like claiming a Lexus LS (an incredibly fine car) is 100% the same as a Bentley Mulsanne because they both smell like leather on the inside and get me to where I am going at the same time.

    I think Philip's points are legitimate to consider. The Oud market has been marred by trickery and trusting a vendor is very important to many of us. It is like buying fine art; the provenance is critical and only trusted art dealers will be comfortable to deal with for many buyers.

    There is no question that smell is a subjective thing, as is interpretation or art, music, sculpture, poetry, cars, etc. Therefore, I do not find benefit in making such claims. What would be helpful is to explain how a scent is perceived, what are the facets and qualities that you appreciate and how they compare to other oils's scents.

    The oil in question has no history with actual users who I know and trust and despite being cheap, to me presents an unacceptable purchase risk.
     
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    Thanks, respected kesiro, yes, it is a truly moderate post. A decent way to forward one's personal taste, without belittling the other.
     
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    Thanks Rai. When I read it back after I posted it, I thought it read like a fight of ideas. LOL
    Lets keep it fun, honest, and as impersonal as possible and keep the focus on the right stuff boys and girls.
     
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    You are welcome, kesiro. Thank God, '...a fight of ideas..' could possibly be there, and not 'ideas of fight;).
    Yes, we have to be true unto our own selves being honestly impersonal! Peace!
     

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