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5MeO

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SOTD - Oud Yunus (EO) - really rich strong barnyard Hindi.. A couple dear friends of mine were visiting me yesterday, and for whatever reason I chose to let them smell my little .1ml vial of Oud Yunus rather than the more Western-friendly ouds in my collection.. One of my friends loved it - he was totally amazed, and the other one enjoyed it also.. Very surprising! Anyhow, I wore this last night and this morning - I'm on a Hindi binge :p
 

PEARL

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Hello to all!

My scent of the day is Oud Yusuf from Ensar Oud. This has to be one of the sweetest ouds I have been introduced to.
I would like to check with other members on their opinions of a Oud oil with good silage and strong projection.
Hello Sapphire,

An oils sillage and projection is always a concern for me. Many times when you hear people talk about oud oil they'll say how strong it is. But, what we really have to ask is are they referring to strong in scent profile from what they may be used to or strong in sillage and projection. Some oils, regardless of origin, i.e. Hindi, Borneo, Malaysia, etc. do stay closer to the skin whereas others really blossom. Some oils cause olfactory fatigue quickly when smelled up close, but someone just entering the room may remark on how they smell it. Also, you have to consider how you wear the oil. When you get that small 2.5-3gm bottle it doesn't seem like much and many have the tendency to only use small dabs expecting the scent to fill a room. That brings me to a point, even low projecting oils can blossom depending on how you wear it. Try using a bit more 2-4 swipes(from a sample vial or 1 full swipe from the thick wand in the original bottle) may be necessary to create the effect you're after. Put the oil on open areas such as the neck, hair, beard and exposed arms and try wiping it on your clothes as well. 2-4 swipes may seem like a lot but it's not, the oils really do last a long time and then you have guys like resident distiller/hunter Taha who has stated that he uses 1.5-2gms per month. I generally use 2-4 full swipes from the thinner sample vial wand and I don't use nearly as much as Taha, and I get excellent sillage and projection.
 

kesiro

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SOTD - Oud Yunus (EO) - really rich strong barnyard Hindi.. A couple dear friends of mine were visiting me yesterday, and for whatever reason I chose to let them smell my little .1ml vial of Oud Yunus rather than the more Western-friendly ouds in my collection.. One of my friends loved it - he was totally amazed, and the other one enjoyed it also.. Very surprising! Anyhow, I wore this last night and this morning - I'm on a Hindi binge :p
Very very nice! Hard to beat a good Hindi IMO. Yunus is on my radar big time! Did Aku Akira this morning.
 
Lol, I'm glad to be of service :) Fortunately both of us specialize in helping ouddicted people, so amidst the tears and ruination there is always hope..

Enjoy that Aroha Kyaku - powerful and brash indeed! Very different vibe than the RCX I have on.. I remember the first day I used Aroha Kyaku I spilled it on myself - can't remember how, but lost about half the vial onto my arm and shirt sleeve while I was out at a whiskey bar.. I had been drinking... The smell was extraordinarily intense - and I did indeed get a woman's phone number that night, after she initiated conversation with me - was it the Aroha Kyaku that drew her to me? Or was it my bald head, relatively poor posture, and disparaging commentary about the mentally handicapped? She lived in New York and we never stayed in touch, so I'll never know..

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So it was mentioned before how ouddiction affects the lives of loved ones. As of late I have been wiping oud on my infants head/hair on a routine basis. It started with raksmey, sokh khmer....Xiang Lao ling...then to shano shokat....Assam 3000...TW royal. It's an every day thing now...sometimes twice a day.

I have been finding his hair to be an excellent medium to exploring the depths and complexities in oud oil, I am discovering notes that I never really experienced fully before....not to mention it lasts for hours on end with as It goes through every level of progression. I need some reassurance that this is not a child protection case :rolleyes:
 
@Taherg: You are good to go, and no need to worry about child protective services kicking down your door. Oud is natural and has no harmful properties. If anything, using Johnson & Johnson baby wash on your kid should be illegal with all the chemicals it contains. Even the No tears versions burned my daughters eyes.

By the way my daughter just turned 7 and we have used Oud on her since birth. She seems fine other than being a bit wound up most of the time.
 

Taha

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@Taherg:
From an early age (of my son Zayd), I noticed that whenever I'd carry him, he'd end up with his hair smelling like oud. :p
I guess that either means I oil and smoke up my beard real good, or I'm very affectionate hence his hair would get prolonged exposure to 'the launchpad' (my beard, as dubbed by a customer).
Maybe its both.

I agree, oud smells awesome on hair. And when its on someone else's, you manage to catch many wonderful new facets of the scent.

edit: @MEKWT, ah, so it looks like I'm not the only one who's realized that about their 'No Tears' shampoo!
 

kesiro

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looks like I'm not the only one who's realized that about their 'No Tears' shampoo!
I would not let that crap touch any part of my kid's skin!

Hey Taha! Today I am sporting Ceylon No. 1. What a fantastic oud! Beautiful from top to bottom.
 
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bhanny

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I would let that crap touch any part of my kid's skin!

Hey Taha! Today I am sporting Ceylon No. 1. What a fantastic oud! Beautiful from top to bottom.
Ceylon No1 is truly outstanding. Well done Taha.

I went with the Queen herself today, Borneo 3000. Simply the benchmark Borneo for me. Had to shower up a few minutes ago for an evening event, went with Guallam Solide. This thing doesn't get enough play from me, I hope to talk more about it later after a full wearing, but man is it nice!
 

Taha

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New batch cooking ? :O The wood there looks much better than some local vendors' burning stock !
Nope, already cooked right after the two Syed Ceylons. Its aging away right now, but I'll let you have a sneak peek (err, sniff) next time you swing by.

My SOTD: FO Old School Vietnamese. I also got to smell his other Vietnamese oil (Bio Kyara) which is pretty amazing. Although it didn't smell like Kyara, it did smell *VERY* Japanese. Minimalistic, elegant, pristine.
I'm wondering what style Adam's gonna choose for his upcoming Vietnamese distillation (the raw material btw smells identical to my Betonamu Jinkoh oil). I recommended a 'clean' copper+steel brew. That's what I have planned for my next Vietnamese (and Hainan) but who knows when I'll get to those. :( Right now, because of the direction I see this industry heading in, my priority is getting wood more than cooking wood.
In Taherg's words... cry now and smile later.
 

bhanny

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@Taha. Wow, that wood looks amazing. It would be very interesting to see your take on a deeper Ceylon. Your airy version is seriously awesome, Ceylon No1 that is. And when you start talking Hainan and Vietnamese I start getting palpitations. Without question two of my favorite, if not clearly my two favorite regions.
 

Taha

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Don't hold your breath though! :p
I have no idea when I'll get to them. Based on the last calculation, I have about 800kg of wood from various places, just sitting and waiting to be distilled. But like I said in the other thread, right now I'm more focused on getting wood than cooking wood.

A bit off topic, but I thought I'd share something about Sinesis wood.
Adam, who of course admires Ensar and his products, privately asked me if I honestly think its true what Ensar stated somewhere about intrinsic animalic notes existing in Chinese oud. i.e. he thought it had to be from soaking/fermenting/rotting the wood, and could not intrinsic. I smiled, went to my oud shelf and brought out my Laotian Sinesis test batch. Exactly the same raw material as Lao Chen Xiang and Mai Wan Lao, but the closest thing it smells to is Ensar's Yunnan 2003 (I even brought that out and swiped it on Adam's hand to compare).
Guess what... this was a zero-barnyard oud. No fermenting/rotting or anything, and yet packed with animalics. Its actually quite amazing that all 3 of these oils were distilled from the very same wood. I'll try to remember to throw in a sample in your next package @bhanny.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Sinesis (Burma/Laos/China) and Malaccensis (of Malaysia) wood provide THE most scent possibilities. So whereas Lao Chen Xiang opens with cherry marmalade, the trial batch smells like a dinosaur's musk sack (if they had musk sacks!). Its like a pheromone bomb.
I've tried very hard to educate consumers about the different types of animalic notes (good soak-triggered barn, bad soak-triggered barn, and intrinsic animalics), but so far, for some reason, a lot of people don't like hearing about it......?!
Intrinsic animalic notes include: musk, civet, castoreum, and hyraceum. Very VERY different from the well-known barn of 'barnyard oils'.

In short, to Adam and to everyone else I say: yes, animalics CAN be intrinsic in Chinese and Indian species of agarwood.
Here's something you can do yourself to figure out what sort of animalics are possible to extract from a batch of agarwood: roast a chip (high heat) until no more smoke comes out. Now flip the chip and heat it some more. This is when the animalic notes come out. And if a distiller knows what he's doing, he can cajole these notes out of the wood (and even decide how intense the animalics should be). For me, its always about capturing the same amount of animalics in the oil as you would experience when heating the raw wood.

Hm... I'm now wondering if I should do a special Gaharu-members only pre-release of a future Indian oud, Fera. :)
Being from the far north reaches of India (close to China) it has the animalics of Chinese oud. Its a clean zero-barn oud (same region hence same overall profile as Lalitya), but smells like it has ton of castoreum and hyraceum macerated in it.
 

bhanny

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Can't say I blame you one bit for wanting to get all the wood you can get now Taha. I would totally agree with you about Sinensis, and Malaccensis, amazingly broad scent possibilities. Even unsoaked or minimally soaked (unfermented). Kynam No1 to Hainan 05 to Yunnan 03 to Kinam Rouge to Lao Chen Xiang to Mai Wan Lao to Kachin Ko-Shwe (I assume this was Sinensis though never asked).

Wow, I would definitely love a sample of Lao Dino Musk Sack! I do love some good animalic notes at times. Have my own tinctures of musk, ambergris, civet and castoreum as well as some I've purchased.
 

5MeO

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Yes I can see the Yunnan 03 and similar not being barnyard - that musky animalic aroma they have is of a much different character than the classic Hindi barnyard smell.. I figured, though, that some fermentation was also involved, but it appears I'm incorrect..

Speaking of unusual barnyard characteristics - Borneo Adventure 2 really sets its own genre in this regard - that is an animalic bomb right there..


Ah yes indeed, any Indian oud releases I am interested in!
 

Taha

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@bhanny, yep KKS was Sinesis too. Once again, if you had smelled the test batch ('dinosaur musk' grains housed in an odorous rusty metallic box) you'd never think it was from the same wood.
Ah, I forgot to mention ambergris in the list above. That's a BIG one, more so than castoreum and civet.

@5MeO, yep quite right. Well, I'm sure for some of Ensar's Chinese oils the wood was indeed soaked, but not for all of them. But either way, the point is that this particular type of animalic scent (ambergris, musk, etc) is intrinsic and is very different from the barnyard animalic notes that oils get from fermentation. It seems you already realized that. ;)
And you're quite right about the animalic note in BA2 as well. I smelled the raw material Adam used for making this oil and it has the very same musk note.

And for the record: I am not disparaging any of these genres (clean, intrinsic animalics, engineered animalics). I just think its in the consumer's best interest to know which is which. I stand to gain nothing from 'tricking' anyone into believing what I'm saying.
An informed consumer is a smarter consumer, that's all. :)
 

Kruger

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I stand to gain nothing from 'tricking' anyone into believing what I'm saying. An informed consumer is a smarter consumer, that's all. :)
Lets leave the tricks and accusations to their people. Here no one doubts your sincerity Taha. Please feel free to speak your mind. No need to defend yourself! We see and feel your difficulties.